[stuart_clark]

The Chemstracter has a ten litre chemical tank and a shower feed system, it does have an extraction device but I dont use it

[Robin Ray]

Ah... so essentially you are just using a normal rotary and getting good results.

I always feel a bit like a fraud using encap or bonneting as I know if I extracted the water would be black but on some large stuff it would just take forever to extract.

I have heard of Jason L using a 400 rpm machine to bonnet, does any one else. I have only tried with my 150 Rpm but have just got a new 400 and wondered if there may be some advantage?

Rob

[neil 47]

I didn't know that staurt thanks , will give it a go

[stuart_clark]

Robin

Jason may have tons of experience using rotarys, I dont know but be very carefull as using that higher speed on carpets can do irepairable damage, IICRC recomend 175 rpm I know the likes of Dryfusion are faster because when I used my Chemstractor for the first time, I couldn't believe how slow it was compared to the DF machine
 As ive said in previous posts I only use the cimex for larger areas and rotarys for everything else

Stuart

[JandS]

Stuart....do you mean Kill Odour Plus...it says mix at nearly 1:4 not 1:20.....

[derek west]

This room will be professionally encapped at the TACCA training day this year whichis open to non members as well as members. I too am not getting on with encapping so will be great to see just how its done properly, how much sprayed down, how much dwell how much going over etc...

[stuart_clark]

J and S
yes mate Odourkill plus but at 20 to 1 , four to one is for bad contamination and hwe afterwards and 10 to 1 for normal hwe , however 20 to 1 for encap


stuart

[JandS]

Cheers Stuart didn't realise it was an encap doesn't say so on website.
I always encap by rotary brushing it in do you find the pad does a better job?

[stuart_clark]

I only use pads now, light brown/ buff I find the best or white
it was a tip I got from Jamie Pearson, been cleaning comercial maintenance for nearly 20 years but have inly been using pads for about a year, I would never go back to bonnets, a much better clean more agitation and no laundry costs whatsoever


Stuart

[peter maybury]

Neil
The statement that you made about over wetting smells etc are basically the scare tactics that LM s  use to try to dish HWE.
It would take an incompetent operator with crap equipment to create those situation.
It is a negative sell.
When I approach customer  am able to offer honest impartial advice as I have all the systems to offer and have an understanding that there is not one system that is right for every situation. It is professional pride that has made me want to be proficient at all levels of the industry. In many of the commercial jobs that I do very often a combination clean is required on one or more visits to get the carpets to a standard where just encapping is sufficient to achieve a quality result with encap alone.  There are however a lot of varying standards and competence levels and what one would deem a quality result another would not.

Peter

[neil 47]

Peter

I agree

As a business decision encap is for better for me .

As for smells odors, wick back all these happen with a large  no of hwe operators that aren't incompetent , you only have to search the forums to see that.

[peter maybury]

No Neil there are a lot of incompetent operators thinking they are competent,  you only have to look at the number of people in this industry that have had no formal training.

[stuart_clark]

Just an update ! The care home I was cleaning this week was finished yesterday afternoon, we started monday morning about 8am finished monday afternoon about 5pm then started again yesterday at 8 and finished at around 1pm yesterday afternoon, I only used the Cimex its so easy , I took the Chemstractor but diddnt use it in the end, I used aprox 10 litres of Chemspec Odour Kill Plus
not a bad return eh ?


Stuart

[neil 47]

peter

I agree Training should be a ongoing commitment to your business.

But as there is no governing enforcement dept, theres not a lot that can be done.

and by the way the two occasions that ive had complaints about smell, it  has been wool carpets  and after telling them to keep windows and air movment speech, they shut all the doors windows and went off for the day.

if i had encapped it would of been dry when i left.

I,m over the moon with my buffer and encap, sod £20,000 truckmounts , encap returns about £200 a litre and i use their leccy its Great !

im even getting my competence at mixing presprays

 

[mark_roberts]

Neil do you encapsulate domestics and if so why?

Mark

[Richard Cole]

I only use pads now, light brown/ buff I find the best or white
it was a tip I got from Jamie Pearson, been cleaning comercial maintenance for nearly 20 years but have inly been using pads for about a year, I would never go back to bonnets, a much better clean more agitation and no laundry costs whatsoever


Stuart

Hi Stuart when you say white pads do you mean the ones used for finishing polishing hard floors?

[stuart_clark]

Yes Richard I do mate, although I tend to us3 the tan/ buff type more



Stuart

[Chip Ward]

Anybody using Chemspecs Enzyme Carpet shampoo for encap cleaning?

[*Hector*]

Yes Richard I do mate, although I tend to us3 the tan/ buff type more



Stuart

I used to find that the tan/buff ones gave me just the right amount of agitation to do the job at a good speed. I had to go slower with the white pad, as it just sort of skimmed the surface..... Do NOT use a green or black pad.....

[stuart_clark]

Chip
I've used Chemspecs powdered Enzyme shampoo through the Chemstactor but with the rotary brush and the extraction ring on it i haven't used it for years mind you !  The last time I can recollect was a system ten in a restaurant,  I was a bit concerned it may of shrunk using hwe so that is why I used that system and it was a real Minger

To be honest this isnt what you would call an encapsulating chemical

Stuart