[dave f]

I havent tried it yet I don't think I bother if it takes a lot of rinsing whats the point if your on a water meter your bill is gonner increas to me that's counter productive .it dosent mater how shiney the windows are. you may get satisfaction ,soon as the summer brigade come out under cutting your out.my motto is keep it simple as possible why all the expence with all the unnessasory expence custys are fickle imo .if they get a better price that's it .

[SB Cleaning]

I'm more than happy with just "pure"- works for me!!

One thing that has been established though via these "vision" threads is the staggering amount of people who seemingly suffer from spotting issues on a regular basis! I would advise more focus on technique &/or more suitable tools to begin with!

Some windows spot with wfp and that's all there is to it

[Mike #1]

1 push of the plunger to a 400ltr tank is a that is needed the less you dose vision to pure the less you rinse or you rinse as normal without issue ,  

I will be more than happy to continue using vision for the foreseeable future  

[Dave Willis]

How do you know when you get to the point where you have so little Vision thst it's not actually doing anything?

[ChumBucket]

I'm more than happy with just "pure"- works for me!!

One thing that has been established though via these "vision" threads is the staggering amount of people who seemingly suffer from spotting issues on a regular basis! I would advise more focus on technique &/or more suitable tools to begin with!

Some windows spot with wfp and that's all there is to it

Yes, and when you understand the reasons for this you'll also realise that no additive diluted to such a miniscule ratio is going to change that. Spotting is caused by water contamination via external factors & no amount of vision is going to change that.

[Clever Forum Name]

Vision makes the water more gloupy or syrup like. As stated by myself and others.

This seems to make the water hang around more and doesn't run down the glass from the seals. It seems to suspend it.

On some windows the seals are shot. So I know I get spotting. Vision has reduced that.

I can flick/rinse on the glass or even not clean the top 2 inches to prevent spotting.

Try doing that 50ft up. It's hard.

I take it you are another poster who feels they can comment on vision and not
Even used it?  

 

[ChumBucket]

Vision makes the water more gloupy or syrup like. As stated by myself and others.

This seems to make the water hang around more and doesn't run down the glass from the seals. It seems to suspend it.

On some windows the seals are shot. So I know I get spotting. Vision has reduced that.

I can flick/rinse on the glass or even not clean the top 2 inches to prevent spotting.

Try doing that 50ft up. It's hard.

I take it you are another poster who feels they can comment on vision and not
Even used it?  

 

No, I'm a wfp user of Eleven years & so don't buy BS easily. Vision might help shine or change the water tension but  it doesn't prevent spotting. I would cure the seal problem (obviously you don't know how to) & that would be an end to it. Also, if what you are claiming is true- i.e. the water hangs around for longer then it is also by consequence more open to airborne particle contamination- another cause of spotting. So, in conclusion, you (in your mind) have cured one spotting issue but worsened another. I very rarely get spotting but when I do I identify then cure the issue- simples.

[Clever Forum Name]

Vision makes the water more gloupy or syrup like. As stated by myself and others.

This seems to make the water hang around more and doesn't run down the glass from the seals. It seems to suspend it.

On some windows the seals are shot. So I know I get spotting. Vision has reduced that.

I can flick/rinse on the glass or even not clean the top 2 inches to prevent spotting.

Try doing that 50ft up. It's hard.

I take it you are another poster who feels they can comment on vision and not
Even used it?  

 

No, I'm a wfp user of Eleven years & so don't buy BS easily. Vision might help shine or change the water tension but  it doesn't prevent spotting. I would cure the seal problem (obviously you don't know how to) & that would be an end to it. Also, if what you are claiming is true- i.e. the water hangs around for longer then it is also by consequence more open to airborne particle contamination- another cause of spotting. So, in conclusion, you (in your mind) have cured one spotting issue but worsened another. I very rarely get spotting but when I do I identify then cure the issue- simples.

Cure the seal problem? The seals have shrunk and are lose so water gets in behind as they don't hug the glass. Like I said. Try not cleaning that part of the glass 50ft plus up. Maybe I should rinse off the glass.

By cure you mean a 50ft ladder or use some TFR and scrub like mad? Diluted virosol can stop seal bleed as well black marks remover for use on boats.

I started window cleaning in 1999 so let me know if you want any help.

[ChumBucket]

Vision makes the water more gloupy or syrup like. As stated by myself and others.

This seems to make the water hang around more and doesn't run down the glass from the seals. It seems to suspend it.

On some windows the seals are shot. So I know I get spotting. Vision has reduced that.

I can flick/rinse on the glass or even not clean the top 2 inches to prevent spotting.

Try doing that 50ft up. It's hard.

I take it you are another poster who feels they can comment on vision and not
Even used it?  

 

No, I'm a wfp user of Eleven years & so don't buy BS easily. Vision might help shine or change the water tension but  it doesn't prevent spotting. I would cure the seal problem (obviously you don't know how to) & that would be an end to it. Also, if what you are claiming is true- i.e. the water hangs around for longer then it is also by consequence more open to airborne particle contamination- another cause of spotting. So, in conclusion, you (in your mind) have cured one spotting issue but worsened another. I very rarely get spotting but when I do I identify then cure the issue- simples.

Cure the seal problem? The seals have shrunk and are lose so water gets in behind as they don't hug the glass. Like I said. Try not cleaning that part of the glass 50ft plus up. Maybe I should rinse off the glass.

By cure you mean a 50ft ladder or use some TFR and scrub like mad? Diluted virosol can stop seal bleed as well black marks remover for use on boats.

I started window cleaning in 1999 so let me know if you want any help.

My point proven to perfection!!

[Clever Forum Name]

Vision makes the water more gloupy or syrup like. As stated by myself and others.

This seems to make the water hang around more and doesn't run down the glass from the seals. It seems to suspend it.

On some windows the seals are shot. So I know I get spotting. Vision has reduced that.

I can flick/rinse on the glass or even not clean the top 2 inches to prevent spotting.

Try doing that 50ft up. It's hard.

I take it you are another poster who feels they can comment on vision and not
Even used it?  

 

No, I'm a wfp user of Eleven years & so don't buy BS easily. Vision might help shine or change the water tension but  it doesn't prevent spotting. I would cure the seal problem (obviously you don't know how to) & that would be an end to it. Also, if what you are claiming is true- i.e. the water hangs around for longer then it is also by consequence more open to airborne particle contamination- another cause of spotting. So, in conclusion, you (in your mind) have cured one spotting issue but worsened another. I very rarely get spotting but when I do I identify then cure the issue- simples.

Cure the seal problem? The seals have shrunk and are lose so water gets in behind as they don't hug the glass. Like I said. Try not cleaning that part of the glass 50ft plus up. Maybe I should rinse off the glass.

By cure you mean a 50ft ladder or use some TFR and scrub like mad? Diluted virosol can stop seal bleed as well black marks remover for use on boats.

I started window cleaning in 1999 so let me know if you want any help.

My point proven to perfection!!

Glad I could help

[duncan h]

It gives a good shine. 1 squirt in my 250 tank. Enough reason for me. 1 customer who changed from traditional to me. After adding Vision his wife asked what I put in my water to make the glass shine so much. It made me smile

[ChumBucket]

It gives a good shine. 1 squirt in my 250 tank. Enough reason for me. 1 customer who changed from traditional to me. After adding Vision his wife asked what I put in my water to make the glass shine so much. It made me smile

I've had that same comment many times over the years without Vision.

[Dave Willis]

me too loads of times!

I did have one woman though "that stuff you use in that water has stuck all my windows shut and stained my patio!"
The patio stain was her overflow dripping - god knows what was going on with her windows. Dumped her pretty quick after that.

[duncan h]

me too loads of times!

I did have one woman though "that stuff you use in that water has stuck all my windows shut and stained my patio!"
The patio stain was her overflow dripping - god knows what was going on with her windows. Dumped her pretty quick after that.

I would have dumped her there and then. Some very odd public

[LWC]

me too loads of times!

I did have one woman though "that stuff you use in that water has stuck all my windows shut and stained my patio!"
The patio stain was her overflow dripping - god knows what was going on with her windows. Dumped her pretty quick after that.

I had a customer blame me for a run/limescale down one window, said its always there after ive been, i went up and had a look and before even got close to window i said, thats an overflow leaking..."no it isnt!" he replied. I looked out of window and under gutter there was a overflow...dripping   Was one of my favourite moments in window cleaning.

[dazmond]

from my experience of using vision(7 weeks now).4 ml per 500L of pure is best for me.it leaves a better shine for sure and reduces runs from perished top rubber seals.

the rinsing sometimes can be a tad slower but i find its usually the windows that take a lot of rinsing anyway just using pure.

[slap bash]

Here is the answer, stop guessing it just this stuff

.http://www.newguardcoatings.com/uk/product/nano-technology/guardnanotech-glass

[Dave Willis]

Doubt it - that works the opposite way most of us like to work.

[kevincoggan]

Here is the answer, stop guessing it just this stuff

.http://www.newguardcoatings.com/uk/product/nano-technology/guardnanotech-glass

yes vision works the opposite way to new gaurds product,but thanks for that slap dash,i clean there windows so may have a chat about it sometime ,although they just buy it all in-its of no real use to me or anyone else in fact

[kempy]

Well we're starting to get re-orders now , which shows the initial buyers are pleased with the Vision product . Which is great news and thanks to persons liking the product.