[Rich Wilts]

Vision? What is it please?

[Smudger]

Vision? What is it please?

It's when you keep your eyes open 

Dave, really appreciate your efforts with the gg4, it's not that I'm tight, or wouldn't use vision again but Titan labs have a very good reputation - I'm surprised they themselves haven't promoted this

Darran

[slap bash]

Nano tech its what Rhino uses on his jobs. Simples.

[Clever Forum Name]

Hopefully trailing a product next week.

Ticks all the boxes on what vision does. Even smells the same lol

[Dave Willis]

I found something that clouds the water on mixing then clears too. Very familiar substance 

[Clever Forum Name]

You have emails Dave

[Bungle]

Hopefully trailing a product next week.

Ticks all the boxes on what vision does. Even smells the same lol

Oh please tell us what it is number 23. I'm dieing to know what you are trialling.

[Clever Forum Name]

Hopefully trailing a product next week.

Ticks all the boxes on what vision does. Even smells the same lol

Oh please tell us what it is number 23. I'm dieing to know what you are trialling.

What are ruin my chances of blackmail. Never Mohahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

[Jonny 87]

I think we have a new catch line for vision......

Often imitated.....never replicated. 

[Clever Forum Name]

It's in my nature to investigate lol.

[Barryy]

Oh gosh, there was loads, here's one      http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=192726.0

this was the first one   http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=192411.0


I don't have any conclusive proof it's any better than pure water alone, it just seems better to me, doesn't spot and haven't yet found any negatives at all. Seems to thin the water down and break the surface tension.Certainly leaves the glass with a shine.

ps. I'm not competing against Vision at all - there's nothing in it for me. Just had some GG4 already and thought I'd experiment a bit.

Thanks for the info Dave

[Jonny 87]

It's in my nature to investigate lol.

It's a good way to be damo.

That's how vision started a few years ago.

[Mike #1]

I did think about it. I think there's loads of products that would have similar properties.
I chose GG4 because it was designed for cleaning windows and the manufacturers were contactable by email - they say it can be used for wfp. They also claim it has an ingredient that eliminates calcium spotting
If it all went tits up I could discuss it with them and find out why, or simply stop using it and keep it for trad.

Fair point  , I might give it a go later this year just out of pure curiousity 

[Dave Willis]

I played around with rinse aid last night. The theory would be perfect for our needs - breaks surface tension, encourages sheeting, makes water dry faster. All good stuff. It doesn't however have any cleaning power at all and doesn't apppear to break down grease and doesn't mix that well with water - sort of hangs about in a cloud.
Now, rinse aid mixed with Ecover could be on the cards. If I could be bothered.  

[Mike #1]

Oh I'm sure you can be bothered , You have'nt got anything better to do have you   

[Dave Willis]

Off for a bike ride in half hour 

[kevincoggan]

aaaaahhhh good old ecover ,it kinda works but has a total tds of over 8000ppm neat is full of products to keep the ph in a safe range and to perserve its shelf life,jim thompson found this over four years ago but was dropped from use shortly afterwards as results are hit n miss,some still swear by it though

[ChumBucket]

I'm more than happy with just "pure"- works for me!!

One thing that has been established though via these "vision" threads is the staggering amount of people who seemingly suffer from spotting issues on a regular basis! I would advise more focus on technique &/or more suitable tools to begin with!

[Rich Wilts]

8000 ppm? Surely that depends on the dilution rate.

[Dave Willis]

I'm more than happy with just "pure"- works for me!!

One thing that has been established though via these "vision" threads is the staggering amount of people who seemingly suffer from spotting issues on a regular basis! I would advise more focus on technique &/or more suitable tools to begin with!

It does! But it's fun experimenting a bit too as long as it's cheap. 
At the end of the day if you hit the road without your preferred additive - it won't make much difference I'm sure.