[Gerald Ash]

Thanks 8weekly, I should have ate weakly or even weekly

[8weekly]

Well, not hourly anyway. 

[Tom White]

My problem is why I eat and put that together with someone who loves his grub then I`m the result.
    Will power alone is not enough for long term so as Tosh says I need to put systems in place so as to make it a lot easier to stay on track.
   As to gastric bypass and other similar options I think my head is where the solution lies because you can cheat on these and believe me it can be more of a compunction  than a feeling almost like a voice urging you on to buy and eat those burgers or that pizza.
   I think I have a food addiction which is also driven by issues from my past but I guess that`s true for all addicts.
      I`m staying away from the windows for a while and just walking gently knocking doors. I`ll start back with the ground floor few weeks and build up gently.
  I`d just gone over the 200 good customers mark as well.
   Still plenty of oppertunities to get more.

From an alcoholism point of view, I relate to a lot of what you write.  One thing I will say though, it's pointless trying to work out why we have some addiction.  I mean we can guess, and we might think if we found out, it would solve the problem - but that's not been my experience.

It's best to start with "I have a problem, what can I do about it?" rather than trying to work out why we have that actual problem.  I'm sure many alkies do a lot of drinking-thinking trying to work out why they drink so, and they end up dead.

And a good suggestion would be to develop some 'clever feet'.  Your head may tell you that you can work it all out by yourself, that you don't need to go to OA, but hopefully your feet will get you to a meeting regardless of what your head is telling you.

[andyM]

If you need to lose weight then eat less.
One meal per day and the weight will drop off and you will earn more money by not stopping for lunch. 
 

[davids3511]

Gerald.
My father had his first heart (angina) attach in his early 40s. After 2 heart by-pass operations and a lot of drama he finally left us three years ago at the age of 92.
Ignore what Tosh said about willpower and I'm sure you'll make it to 92 as well.

No no no, Tosh is 100% correct. I'm 20 stone now, but when I started window cleaning I was 24 stone. The change in lifestyle lost me 2 stone, that was it. I though and hoped it would be more.

About a year ago my son started Thai boxing. I used to bring him 3 times a week and sit and watch. Then about 7 months ago I started boxing myself. I've lost another 2 stone. It wasn't will power, it was heavy hard exercise and the fact that my trainer is depending on me to lose weight, she hopes it will bring more people into the gym if I'm doing well. It's not cheap and my partner is giving up things she wants so I can do this and its working. It's not will power, it's doing something I love and having people relying on me to do the right thing. If I don't loose weight I can't justify spending the cash and will have to quit something I love.

In my gym there is also a lesson in will power. There is a photo of a bigish guy on the wall. I asked about him one day and apparently he came to the gym one day at about 28 stone. Wouldn't skip, wouldn't run and so on. Eventually he got into it, lost loads of weight and became a decent boxer. Under his photo in the gym is a belt. It's an amateur world heavyweight title belt which he won in turkey a few years ago. Willpower got him into the gym, willpower trained him up and willpower won him a world title. Within a year he was dead, he went back to eating like he used to, wouldn't leave his room and died of a heart attack. His willpower didn't hold.

[Tom White]

Then about 7 months ago I started boxing myself. I've lost another 2 stone. It wasn't will power, it was heavy hard exercise and the fact that my trainer is depending on me to lose weight, she hopes it will bring more people into the gym if I'm doing well. It's not cheap and my partner is giving up things she wants so I can do this and its working. It's not will power, it's doing something I love and having people relying on me to do the right thing. If I don't loose weight I can't justify spending the cash and will have to quit something I love.

Love it.  And it's a common thing that if we have to do something purely for our own benefit, we'll put it off, or not bother doing it at all.  But if other people are involved, we get more motivation to do it.

Your story shows that; you're not only boxing for yourself, you're doing it for others too; there's power in that.

[davids3511]

Then about 7 months ago I started boxing myself. I've lost another 2 stone. It wasn't will power, it was heavy hard exercise and the fact that my trainer is depending on me to lose weight, she hopes it will bring more people into the gym if I'm doing well. It's not cheap and my partner is giving up things she wants so I can do this and its working. It's not will power, it's doing something I love and having people relying on me to do the right thing. If I don't loose weight I can't justify spending the cash and will have to quit something I love.

Love it.  And it's a common thing that if we have to do something purely for our own benefit, we'll put it off, or not bother doing it at all.  But if other people are involved, we get more motivation to do it.

Your story shows that; you're not only boxing for yourself, you're doing it for others too; there's power in that.

I have to admit there's a little bit of me that wants to emulate that guy too. Not the dying bit, the bit that came before.

[Gerald Ash]

Gerald.
My father had his first heart (angina) attach in his early 40s. After 2 heart by-pass operations and a lot of drama he finally left us three years ago at the age of 92.
Ignore what Tosh said about willpower and I'm sure you'll make it to 92 as well.

No no no, Tosh is 100% correct. I'm 20 stone now, but when I started window cleaning I was 24 stone. The change in lifestyle lost me 2 stone, that was it. I though and hoped it would be more.

About a year ago my son started Thai boxing. I used to bring him 3 times a week and sit and watch. Then about 7 months ago I started boxing myself. I've lost another 2 stone. It wasn't will power, it was heavy hard exercise and the fact that my trainer is depending on me to lose weight, she hopes it will bring more people into the gym if I'm doing well. It's not cheap and my partner is giving up things she wants so I can do this and its working. It's not will power, it's doing something I love and having people relying on me to do the right thing. If I don't loose weight I can't justify spending the cash and will have to quit something I love.

In my gym there is also a lesson in will power. There is a photo of a bigish guy on the wall. I asked about him one day and apparently he came to the gym one day at about 28 stone. Wouldn't skip, wouldn't run and so on. Eventually he got into it, lost loads of weight and became a decent boxer. Under his photo in the gym is a belt. It's an amateur world heavyweight title belt which he won in turkey a few years ago. Willpower got him into the gym, willpower trained him up and willpower won him a world title. Within a year he was dead, he went back to eating like he used to, wouldn't leave his room and died of a heart attack. His willpower didn't hold.

Ten years Shotokan Karate. Some Wing Chun and a smattering of Krav Maga.
 Fantastic exercise but have dislocated left knee twice so not really up to it anymore but I do miss it.
   Tosh you know the crack, I can never say I had a food addiction, the best I can say is that I have won some battles for so long. I can eat normal meals and be sated but it`s not about feeding a physical hunger it`s emotional hunger for want of a better phrase.
   I`m out on the windows today but only setting up for Ted to clean. Might do a couple of ground floor.
   Also I weighed 32st 13lb on Saturday and weigh 30st 12lb this morning, good start.

[PoleKing]

Gerald.
My father had his first heart (angina) attach in his early 40s. After 2 heart by-pass operations and a lot of drama he finally left us three years ago at the age of 92.
Ignore what Tosh said about willpower and I'm sure you'll make it to 92 as well.

No no no, Tosh is 100% correct. I'm 20 stone now, but when I started window cleaning I was 24 stone. The change in lifestyle lost me 2 stone, that was it. I though and hoped it would be more.

About a year ago my son started Thai boxing. I used to bring him 3 times a week and sit and watch. Then about 7 months ago I started boxing myself. I've lost another 2 stone. It wasn't will power, it was heavy hard exercise and the fact that my trainer is depending on me to lose weight, she hopes it will bring more people into the gym if I'm doing well. It's not cheap and my partner is giving up things she wants so I can do this and its working. It's not will power, it's doing something I love and having people relying on me to do the right thing. If I don't loose weight I can't justify spending the cash and will have to quit something I love.

In my gym there is also a lesson in will power. There is a photo of a bigish guy on the wall. I asked about him one day and apparently he came to the gym one day at about 28 stone. Wouldn't skip, wouldn't run and so on. Eventually he got into it, lost loads of weight and became a decent boxer. Under his photo in the gym is a belt. It's an amateur world heavyweight title belt which he won in turkey a few years ago. Willpower got him into the gym, willpower trained him up and willpower won him a world title. Within a year he was dead, he went back to eating like he used to, wouldn't leave his room and died of a heart attack. His willpower didn't hold.

Ten years Shotokan Karate. Some Wing Chun and a smattering of Krav Maga.
 Fantastic exercise but have dislocated left knee twice so not really up to it anymore but I do miss it.
   Tosh you know the crack, I can never say I had a food addiction, the best I can say is that I have won some battles for so long. I can eat normal meals and be sated but it`s not about feeding a physical hunger it`s emotional hunger for want of a better phrase.
   I`m out on the windows today but only setting up for Ted to clean. Might do a couple of ground floor.
   Also I weighed 32st 13lb on Saturday and weigh 30st 12lb this morning, good start.

You've lost 2 stone in 4 days?

And (is this a bit personal?) where do you buy scales that go that high?
Ours only go to 20stone...

[Tom White]

  Tosh you know the crack, I can never say I had a food addiction, the best I can say is that I have won some battles for so long. I can eat normal meals and be sated but it`s not about feeding a physical hunger it`s emotional hunger for want of a better phrase.

I think that's insightful, and you're talking about a level deeper than the mere compulsive eating.  You know over-eating is just a symptom of something deeper that's going on.  That's true for addictions like alcohol or drugs too; the booze or drugs isn't really the problem - in fact we use them as a solution - for the real problem, which is how we're feeling when we're stone cold sober.

It's Thursday today; that meeting is on tonight.

I hope you've got some clever feet on you!  

[Gerald Ash]

The scales are made by Salter and I think I got them from Aldi they go up to 250kgs. When you are as big as me two stone isn`t that much.
   Yes Tosh I`m going to the meeting mate. 

[Tom White]

   Yes Tosh I`m going to the meeting mate. 

Spot on.  It takes some balls to walk into a room full of strangers, but all them strangers were once new too.

Keep going back.

[elite mike]

   Yes Tosh I`m going to the meeting mate. 

Spot on.  It takes some balls to walk into a room full of strangers, but all them strangers were once new too.

Keep going back.

keep up the good work Gerald    

good post tosh .

[Walter Mitty]

Oh yes, addictions are certainly about far more than the end symptoms.  Obviously I can only speak for myself but I found it very helpful to take a big step back to gain more understanding of the underlying issues.  Not everyone wants or needs to do that and if that works too, that's great.  Taking that step back need not necessarily be about looking for causes of the addiction(s); it can be more about understanding vulnerabilities and learning to accept them for what they and/or finding workarounds.  All IMO of course -  what works for one may not work for another.

[Gerald Ash]

Apart from childhood bullying and other issues I lost twin daughters in 93 so there is a few things to be sad about. I try to live in the moment these days and 99.9% I manage to but it`s not only emotional eating or at least eating whilst feeling emotional.
   When I eat I dont stop when I`m full.
  Good meeting last night.

[Tom White]

  Good meeting last night.

Spot on, Gerald, glad you got something out of it. 

[Gerald Ash]

I have killed myself.
   This isn`t my ghost typing this but a statement of fact. The chances of dying of a non obesity related illness is, pun intended, very slim.
   It is all about postponing that event as long as possible.
Please don`t think I`m being morbid just a realisation of my situation, Hopefully I will die of heart failure in twenty years time but it will be the consequences of my actions up until now and I`m at peace with that.

[Bart Olin]

stop eating fellah

[DG Cleaning]

http://youtu.be/kuBZnftGLc0

Gerald, Watch this guy you will lose weight and keep it off whilst still filling your face.

[Dave Willis]

 

I've watched the guys cycling videos loads of times but I'm not sure of his diet plans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5GHBXk2QEM