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Spruce

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Re: is it better to buy a van with or without the system installed?
« Reply #40 on: February 20, 2015, 07:31:41 pm »

again thanks for the valuable info Spruce :) so I will need to have both the insurance and road tax sorted before anything right?
Does that mean I can't expect myself to go there and pick it up on the same day?
Its hard to believe that anyone who can drive does not know this, its pretty basic stuff . It also gives a clue as to what you do and don't know. If you don't know this basic stuff then god knows what going to happen if and when you get going.


Seriosuly, they are making this whole process more complicated it needs to be. Mostly to raise more money...


Who is making it more complicated ? Go buy a van..........

And do your homework and research a bit yourself, probably like most of us have done. Check ouit the price of (for example) a 56 plate Vivaro...with a system, then check out the price without one........... Then price a system..........if you aint got this aptitude you're gonna struggle buddy. How are you going to price a job when you can't even buy and insure a van ?

The process is very easy, i know this  because i can do it, so thats a measure!!!

I predict it being fun if you buy one without a system. Don't worry there's loads of guys here to help you with that !! You can spend the spring in the back of your new van with a toolkit, some parts and an ipad trying to figure it all out.... ;D

Cleancare - its easy when you have done it before or been with someone who has done it. But it will be quite daunting for someone who is young and never done this before.

If you buy a van from someone in the trade, then usually sign up on the day once you have agreed a deal, agree a collection date and then go home and start the process of arranging insurance, etc. The insurance certificate was usually posted onto the trader/dealer and he would use your insurance certificate to tax the vehicle on your behalf so it was all ready for you to drive away. The vehicle would also be cleaned and fuelled on the collection date as well.

If you bid on an online auction then you will need to have Insurance and the printed certificate with you when you go and collect your vehicle. You will also need cash or some other guaranteed form of payment when you go.

Before you drive it on the road you need to go to the post office with your insurance certificate, your New Keeper supplement (from log book) and a vehicles current MOT certificate and buy road tax.

If its a private seller, just ask them to drive you to the nearest post office so the vehicle can be taxed.
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Amazin

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Re: is it better to buy a van with or without the system installed?
« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2015, 08:55:03 pm »
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Its hard to believe that anyone who can drive does not know this, its pretty basic stuff . It also gives a clue as to what you do and don't know. If you don't know this basic stuff then god knows what going to happen if and when you get going.

I've only just got my driver's license few weeks ago after 14 attempts. I have never bought a vechicle before and I foundout recently that there's no road tax disc anymore.

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Who is making it more complicated ? Go buy a van..........

And do your homework and research a bit yourself, probably like most of us have done.


I did but my situation is slightly different because I'm buying it from a private seller and I want to make sure I don't get scammed. I contacted HMRC trying to get some advice and what happened? I waited half hour and I wasn't able to get anyone on the phone because they were so busy. I phoned local council but the woman wasn't that helpful tbh.

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You will also need cash or some other guaranteed form of payment when you go.

Before you drive it on the road you need to go to the post office with your insurance certificate, your New Keeper supplement (from log book) and a vehicles current MOT certificate and buy road tax.

If its a private seller, just ask them to drive you to the nearest post office so the vehicle can be taxed.

again, thank you so much Spruce, helpful as usaual. I think cash payments should be avoided. I will try to offer a transfer

Spruce

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Re: is it better to buy a van with or without the system installed?
« Reply #42 on: February 20, 2015, 09:52:53 pm »
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Its hard to believe that anyone who can drive does not know this, its pretty basic stuff . It also gives a clue as to what you do and don't know. If you don't know this basic stuff then god knows what going to happen if and when you get going.

I've only just got my driver's license few weeks ago after 14 attempts. I have never bought a vechicle before and I foundout recently that there's no road tax disc anymore.

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Who is making it more complicated ? Go buy a van..........

And do your homework and research a bit yourself, probably like most of us have done.


I did but my situation is slightly different because I'm buying it from a private seller and I want to make sure I don't get scammed. I contacted HMRC trying to get some advice and what happened? I waited half hour and I wasn't able to get anyone on the phone because they were so busy. I phoned local council but the woman wasn't that helpful tbh.

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You will also need cash or some other guaranteed form of payment when you go.

Before you drive it on the road you need to go to the post office with your insurance certificate, your New Keeper supplement (from log book) and a vehicles current MOT certificate and buy road tax.

If its a private seller, just ask them to drive you to the nearest post office so the vehicle can be taxed.

again, thank you so much Spruce, helpful as usaual. I think cash payments should be avoided. I will try to offer a transfer


Up to that amount I have always paid cash.

When I bought a car for my son, the seller drove down to the bank with me and deposited it in his own account before parting with the car. A transfer may not be done on the day which means you could be stuck around for the night and then loose track of a vehicle.

Before buying the vehicle you 'settle' on, get the reg number and do an HPI check. Yes it costs but you are better off. Once you pay cash and the vehicle is signed across then you have the keys and its yours - take it then.

A dealer in financial trouble is what you have to be careful of. If you pay him by transfer and in between your payment to him and collecting the vehicle his business folds, you don't get the vehicle and you become a creditor in a liquidation case. If you are lucky you might get a small percentage of the money you transferred back, which could take years. Quite a while ago a large dealership in Teesside folded. A couple of days before this happened a gypsy came in and ordered 2 brand new Mitsubishi Shoguns and paid cash. He lost the lot as none of the creditors got paid anything. After the finance house had taken the vehicles back that they had borrowed against, there wasn't enough left to pay the Receiver and they come first.

Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

CleanClear

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Re: is it better to buy a van with or without the system installed?
« Reply #43 on: February 20, 2015, 10:32:05 pm »

again thanks for the valuable info Spruce :) so I will need to have both the insurance and road tax sorted before anything right?
Does that mean I can't expect myself to go there and pick it up on the same day?
Its hard to believe that anyone who can drive does not know this, its pretty basic stuff . It also gives a clue as to what you do and don't know. If you don't know this basic stuff then god knows what going to happen if and when you get going.


Seriosuly, they are making this whole process more complicated it needs to be. Mostly to raise more money...


Who is making it more complicated ? Go buy a van..........

And do your homework and research a bit yourself, probably like most of us have done. Check ouit the price of (for example) a 56 plate Vivaro...with a system, then check out the price without one........... Then price a system..........if you aint got this aptitude you're gonna struggle buddy. How are you going to price a job when you can't even buy and insure a van ?

The process is very easy, i know this  because i can do it, so thats a measure!!!

I predict it being fun if you buy one without a system. Don't worry there's loads of guys here to help you with that !! You can spend the spring in the back of your new van with a toolkit, some parts and an ipad trying to figure it all out.... ;D

Cleancare - its easy when you have done it before or been with someone who has done it. But it will be quite daunting for someone who is young and never done this before.

If you buy a van from someone in the trade, then usually sign up on the day once you have agreed a deal, agree a collection date and then go home and start the process of arranging insurance, etc. The insurance certificate was usually posted onto the trader/dealer and he would use your insurance certificate to tax the vehicle on your behalf so it was all ready for you to drive away. The vehicle would also be cleaned and fuelled on the collection date as well.

If you bid on an online auction then you will need to have Insurance and the printed certificate with you when you go and collect your vehicle. You will also need cash or some other guaranteed form of payment when you go.

Before you drive it on the road you need to go to the post office with your insurance certificate, your New Keeper supplement (from log book) and a vehicles current MOT certificate and buy road tax.

If its a private seller, just ask them to drive you to the nearest post office so the vehicle can be taxed.


Let me just stop you there. You have 14 days within which to tax your vehicle, or SORN it. No trips to the Post Office neccesary at all before you drive it, no need to get the seller driving you anywhere. There's also no requirement to carry your policy documents with you. Hope that info helps. He's onto HMRC now and the local Council so i'm sure they'll sort him out !!  ;D
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PoleKing

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Re: is it better to buy a van with or without the system installed?
« Reply #44 on: February 20, 2015, 10:49:14 pm »

again thanks for the valuable info Spruce :) so I will need to have both the insurance and road tax sorted before anything right?
Does that mean I can't expect myself to go there and pick it up on the same day?
Its hard to believe that anyone who can drive does not know this, its pretty basic stuff . It also gives a clue as to what you do and don't know. If you don't know this basic stuff then god knows what going to happen if and when you get going.


Seriosuly, they are making this whole process more complicated it needs to be. Mostly to raise more money...


Who is making it more complicated ? Go buy a van..........

And do your homework and research a bit yourself, probably like most of us have done. Check ouit the price of (for example) a 56 plate Vivaro...with a system, then check out the price without one........... Then price a system..........if you aint got this aptitude you're gonna struggle buddy. How are you going to price a job when you can't even buy and insure a van ?

The process is very easy, i know this  because i can do it, so thats a measure!!!

I predict it being fun if you buy one without a system. Don't worry there's loads of guys here to help you with that !! You can spend the spring in the back of your new van with a toolkit, some parts and an ipad trying to figure it all out.... ;D

Cleancare - its easy when you have done it before or been with someone who has done it. But it will be quite daunting for someone who is young and never done this before.

If you buy a van from someone in the trade, then usually sign up on the day once you have agreed a deal, agree a collection date and then go home and start the process of arranging insurance, etc. The insurance certificate was usually posted onto the trader/dealer and he would use your insurance certificate to tax the vehicle on your behalf so it was all ready for you to drive away. The vehicle would also be cleaned and fuelled on the collection date as well.

If you bid on an online auction then you will need to have Insurance and the printed certificate with you when you go and collect your vehicle. You will also need cash or some other guaranteed form of payment when you go.

Before you drive it on the road you need to go to the post office with your insurance certificate, your New Keeper supplement (from log book) and a vehicles current MOT certificate and buy road tax.

If its a private seller, just ask them to drive you to the nearest post office so the vehicle can be taxed.


Let me just stop you there. You have 14 days within which to tax your vehicle, or SORN it. No trips to the Post Office neccesary at all before you drive it, no need to get the seller driving you anywhere. There's also no requirement to carry your policy documents with you. Hope that info helps. He's onto HMRC now and the local Council so i'm sure they'll sort him out !!  ;D

Not anymore, CC.
Think this is what Spruce is trying to say.
http://www.bvrla.co.uk/sites/default/files/documents/buying-selling_faqs.pdf
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