[Stoots]

Hi, im using a diy water fed trolley and a crappy harris pole

Trolley is doing my head constantly running out of water humping etc

I need a van mount asap

However i feel im taking too long on the windows now, the first clean and the next couple ive taken my time to get them right, i now need to be more slap dash

any tip for increasing speed?

i tend to do the frames, next window, then go back and do the glass, if its one of those window with a top opener i tend to do the frames, next window, top opener, top opener, then back to glass

i feel like im cleaning the house twice

is there any need? do you guys do one window then next until finished and it is ok the rinse from the top frame and glass in one rather than doing frames first?

Im taking far too long now i hear people saying they can do 3 3 beds and hour, i can do maybe two if they were very cloase together but im rushing my arse of to achieve that with this techniqe/system

cheers

[Clever Forum Name]

Quickest way to fail with WFP

Don't worry about what people are doing per hour or cleaning per hour.

Experience will come with time.

WFP is all about confidence and spotting (no pun intended) potential issues BEFORE the remaining water dries.

[Don Kee]

Quickest way to fail with WFP

Don't worry about what people are doing per hour or cleaning per hour.

Experience will come with time.

WFP is all about confidence and spotting (no pun intended) potential issues BEFORE the remaining water dries.

+1


Give it time mate. Over time you'll gain more confidence, and therefore speed up

And dont worry too much what others are doing yet, half are on £70p/h, 5 days a week but need to buy second hand pumps...

[dazmond]

i too started with a trolley.cant you leave it in the van and plug into 100m microbore for now?

experience will result in increased speed.

best things (for me anyway)for faster working/easier day:

van mount(biggest tank you can fit in your van)500L for me.

100m microbore,extreme poles and brushes

backpack(for the odd awkward access job)

leave the reel in the van when reeling in/out


when your poling day in/day out,year in/year out YOU GET GOOD AT IT!!

[SeanK]

All good advise above, its better to be slow and do a decent job than quick and ruin your reputation from
the start.
Why not trad the bottoms until you can afford a better system where you don't need to worry about water.

[Window Lickers]

Where are you based Adam?

[Spruce]

Hi, im using a diy water fed trolley and a crappy harris pole

Trolley is doing my head constantly running out of water humping etc

I need a van mount asap

However i feel im taking too long on the windows now, the first clean and the next couple ive taken my time to get them right, i now need to be more slap dash

any tip for increasing speed?

i tend to do the frames, next window, then go back and do the glass, if its one of those window with a top opener i tend to do the frames, next window, top opener, top opener, then back to glass

i feel like im cleaning the house twice

is there any need? do you guys do one window then next until finished and it is ok the rinse from the top frame and glass in one rather than doing frames first?

Im taking far too long now i hear people saying they can do 3 3 beds and hour, i can do maybe two if they were very cloase together but im rushing my arse of to achieve that with this techniqe/system

cheers

I bet you are still faster and safer that doing each window off a ladder.

First thing I would do is change the pole to a decent C/F one with a nice brush.

[Walter Mitty]

i too started with a trolley.cant you leave it in the van and plug into 100m microbore for now?

experience will result in increased speed.

best things (for me anyway)for faster working/easier day:

van mount(biggest tank you can fit in your van)500L for me.

100m microbore,extreme poles and brushes

backpack(for the odd awkward access job)

leave the reel in the van when reeling in/out


when your poling day in/day out,year in/year out YOU GET GOOD AT IT!!

I would second what Daz is saying.  If the rest is unaffordable for now, at the very least get the trolley strapped into the van and work from a reel - i.e. use the trolley as a mini van mount which can be replenished from or with loose containers.  I don't do everything exactly as Daz does but his logic is sound.

[robbo333]

I used a pure freedom trolley for about a year and it's hard work. Then I just kept it in the van and connected it to a hose reel and it was so much easier. For me anyway. As for speed don't worry about it yet, concentrate on quality. Look at your technique in cleaning a window and analyse it, see if you can make it better. Try and do some cleaning with another windie (not in your area) you'll learn loads.

[Tom White]

any tip for increasing speed?

i tend to do the frames, next window, then go back and do the glass, if its one of those window with a top opener i tend to do the frames, next window, top opener, top opener, then back to glass

i feel like im cleaning the house twice

Usually I'll just clean the window, avoiding the frames on regular cleans (unless they look like they need a wash).

Do glass only, one window at a time.  I do wash any frames that are between panes of glass.

You really don't want to spend more than 15 to 20 seconds on any standard window like this:



I'll usually lay my hose out first and start from around the furthest point of the property.  It's easier than trying to pull more hose out when you're half way around a job.  

I keep my pole hose short; it just means no (or less) bending down to pick up the reel hose to move.

I don't worry about drips; I try to clean everything without doing too much moving.  Drips don't seem to affect the finish.

A good - well maintained - pole is essential too.

[DG Cleaning]

You live near me if you want I'll be happy to show you what I do.
I'm not saying I'm the quickest but I'm a fair bit faster than you at the moment.
Also its coming up to 2 years since ive had a wfp complaint.
I'll do about 5 or more 3 bedders per hour.

[NWH]

I have my pole hose long this allows you to not have to go the whole way round properties with the main hose micro-minibore,knowing where to go with the hose and where to start etc is the key to being really quick

[chris turner]

any tip for increasing speed?

i tend to do the frames, next window, then go back and do the glass, if its one of those window with a top opener i tend to do the frames, next window, top opener, top opener, then back to glass

i feel like im cleaning the house twice

Usually I'll just clean the window, avoiding the frames on regular cleans (unless they look like they need a wash).

Do glass only, one window at a time.  I do wash any frames that are between panes of glass.

You really don't want to spend more than 15 to 20 seconds on any standard window like this:



I'll usually lay my hose out first and start from around the furthest point of the property.  It's easier than trying to pull more hose out when you're half way around a job.  

I keep my pole hose short; it just means no (or less) bending down to pick up the reel hose to move.

I don't worry about drips; I try to clean everything without doing too much moving.  Drips don't seem to affect the finish.

A good - well maintained - pole is essential too.

And this guys a mod 

[PoleKing]

What's the problem with that, Chris?

It's unlike Tosh, but he's spot on from what I know.

[Stoots]

Im in Wakefield west Yorkshire.

I will have to experiment a bit with regards wash method.

Tried the trolley in van it strained by chinese pump too much with a long hose but I will have another look at it.

Thanks guys

But 5 3 beds an hour? 30secs a window ? If thats possible im taking way too much caution.

[chris turner]

What's the problem with that, Chris?

It's unlike Tosh, but he's spot on from what I know.

Avoids the frames on regular cleans...cowboy
15-20 seconds a window...cowboy
Drips don't affect finish... error yes they do cowboy, not on every window but on certain windows drips cause terrible spotting.
Of course if he's spending only 15 secs a window he probably never even bothers checking his work.
Apart from those things, the rest is sound advice tosh!

[Tom White]

What's the problem with that, Chris?

It's unlike Tosh, but he's spot on from what I know.

Avoids the frames on regular cleans...cowboy
15-20 seconds a window...cowboy
Drips don't affect finish... error yes they do cowboy, not on every window but on certain windows drips cause terrible spotting.
Of course if he's spending only 15 secs a window he probably never even bothers checking his work.
Apart from those things, the rest is sound advice tosh!

Look, instead of criticising me, why don't you be helpful to the original poster and give him your version of how to clean a window quickly?

Include technique and time spent per window; using the one I posted as a gauge.

[Blackadder]

i too started with a trolley.cant you leave it in the van and plug into 100m microbore for now?

experience will result in increased speed.

best things (for me anyway)for faster working/easier day:

van mount(biggest tank you can fit in your van)500L for me.

100m microbore,extreme poles and brushes

backpack(for the odd awkward access job)

leave the reel in the van when reeling in/out


when your poling day in/day out,year in/year out YOU GET GOOD AT IT!!

Dazmond, you don't have an email address? I was wondering if I could ask you a question regarding the back packs?

[chris turner]

As has been mentioned, speed comes with experience. If he's new to this then the last thing he should be thinking about is speed.
Quality should be his priority for now, people teaching him to clean a window in 15 seconds and don't clean the frames are just setting him up to be a poor quality window cleaner who will gain a bad reputation.

[DG Cleaning]

Im in Wakefield west Yorkshire.

I will have to experiment a bit with regards wash method.

Tried the trolley in van it strained by chinese pump too much with a long hose but I will have another look at it.

Thanks guys

But 5 3 beds an hour? 30secs a window ? If thats possible im taking way too much caution.

I live in Barnsley near j36 M1
I'm happy to show you what I do if you want to nip round.
If they're together 5 isn't a problem
it's just about having confidence in what you do.
For some reason after I'd been wfp a couple of years I got much quicker.