[SeanK]

That level of expense isn't how it is for me is what I mean.


How long were you working solely trad Sean?

I never worked solely trad Matt, I started up as a WFP cleaner but would do about 5% of my work using traditional
methods only if its ground work and it doesn't take to the pole.

[Window Lickers]

That level of expense isn't how it is for me is what I mean.


How long were you working solely trad Sean?

I never worked solely trad Matt, I started up as a WFP cleaner but would do about 5% of my work using traditional
methods only if its ground work and it doesn't take to the pole.

Oh. 

[SeanK]

Right, are you saying because I have never worked using traditional methods I cant work out what it would cost
me to clean without the added costs of WFP equipment ?
Will here's how it works, you have all the costs needed to clean using traditional methods then you add on the costs
needed to upgrade to WFP, its not rocket science.

[Window Lickers]

I wouldn't try to give an opinion on how much it costs to run a pressure washing business. That's all.

For starters I wouldn't know how much work could be done on a daily basis pressure washing. And I put it to you that you don't know how much traditional cleaning you could do daily if you've never done it. Which will directly reflect on your level of costs.

[SeanK]

I wouldn't try to give an opinion on how much it costs to run a pressure washing business. That's all.

For starters I wouldn't know how much work could be done on a daily basis pressure washing. And I put it to you that you don't know how much traditional cleaning you could do daily if you've never done it.

Mate that's nonsense and you know it, all the basic costs a traditional cleaner will have I will have as we are in the same business.
The difference in me and a traditional cleaner is that I don't use a ladder.
Again I have stated in my list what WFP costs me if you think its wrong then point it out, again I'm not talking about all the
expenses involved in cleaning windows just on upgrading to WFP.
I have never mentioned how much cleaning can be done in a day using traditional methods so I don't know why you are pulling
me on that one.

[8weekly]

Thing is Sean your list of expenses spread over a ten year time span is simply laughable, sorry. It's list alright but it's the bare minimum you might envisage what your costs might be. In reality they'll be drastically different to that. Equipment breaks down and needs replacing. Better equipment comes on the market and we upgrade. Your estimates for how long your equipment will last is generous to say the least.

If you took your figures to a bank, let's say you were looking for a business loan, they'd laugh you out of town with those projections.

I was thinking similar. Either that or I'm doing something drastically wrong.

I'd say I'm just an average sole trader window cleaner, and my costs every year are considerably higher than £2,500.

I'd be happy with double that figure to be honest.

No way could I run my business on £500 a year WFP expenses.

Got to watch out for the bull poop on here. 

Congratulations on your anniversary btw. Top marks

Cheers. No idea how it happened.

[Window Lickers]

I bet

[8weekly]

Thing is Sean your list of expenses spread over a ten year time span is simply laughable, sorry. It's list alright but it's the bare minimum you might envisage what your costs might be. In reality they'll be drastically different to that. Equipment breaks down and needs replacing. Better equipment comes on the market and we upgrade. Your estimates for how long your equipment will last is generous to say the least.

If you took your figures to a bank, let's say you were looking for a business loan, they'd laugh you out of town with those projections.

I'm going about eight years and have not cut corners on any equipment that Iv bought and I can honestly say that WFP is costing
me less than £500 a year.

Then you need a new accountant.

Just on transport & equipment my costs year to date are around £7k.

Just this month:

Road tax £225
Fuel £96
MOT £68
Pole hose & brush £45
Carbon filter x 2 £40
O clips £4

That leaves out office overheads, mobile phone etc.

£500 a year.  

[8weekly]

I should add that my van is paid for.

I reckon I could get by on £500 a year if I wasn't doing any work.

[Window Lickers]

Im gonna buy a bamboo cane and start up in this business. I could get one of them brushes from Tescos that comes with a dustpan and brush and cable-tie it to the end of the cane.

Run a Hozelock hose from the custards outside tap. Hey Presto - Bobs your Uncle, Fannies your Aunt.

[SeanK]

Thing is Sean your list of expenses spread over a ten year time span is simply laughable, sorry. It's list alright but it's the bare minimum you might envisage what your costs might be. In reality they'll be drastically different to that. Equipment breaks down and needs replacing. Better equipment comes on the market and we upgrade. Your estimates for how long your equipment will last is generous to say the least.

If you took your figures to a bank, let's say you were looking for a business loan, they'd laugh you out of town with those projections.

I'm going about eight years and have not cut corners on any equipment that Iv bought and I can honestly say that WFP is costing
me less than £500 a year.

Then you need a new accountant.

Just on transport & equipment my costs year to date are around £7k.

Just this month:

Road tax £225
Fuel £96
MOT £68
Pole hose & brush £45
Carbon filter x 2 £40
O clips £4

That leaves out office overheads, mobile phone etc.

£500 a year.  

How many times does somebody have to say...£500 are my WFP costs not my full business costs.

[8weekly]

Thing is Sean your list of expenses spread over a ten year time span is simply laughable, sorry. It's list alright but it's the bare minimum you might envisage what your costs might be. In reality they'll be drastically different to that. Equipment breaks down and needs replacing. Better equipment comes on the market and we upgrade. Your estimates for how long your equipment will last is generous to say the least.

If you took your figures to a bank, let's say you were looking for a business loan, they'd laugh you out of town with those projections.

I'm going about eight years and have not cut corners on any equipment that Iv bought and I can honestly say that WFP is costing
me less than £500 a year.

Then you need a new accountant.

Just on transport & equipment my costs year to date are around £7k.

Just this month:

Road tax £225
Fuel £96
MOT £68
Pole hose & brush £45
Carbon filter x 2 £40
O clips £4

That leaves out office overheads, mobile phone etc.

£500 a year.  

How many times does somebody have to say...£500 are my WFP costs not my full business costs.

How do you deliver your water and equipment to your customers? 

Isn't your van a crucial part of your WFP system? 

Are you relayed to RichyWilts? 

[Window Lickers]

Thing is Sean your list of expenses spread over a ten year time span is simply laughable, sorry. It's list alright but it's the bare minimum you might envisage what your costs might be. In reality they'll be drastically different to that. Equipment breaks down and needs replacing. Better equipment comes on the market and we upgrade. Your estimates for how long your equipment will last is generous to say the least.

If you took your figures to a bank, let's say you were looking for a business loan, they'd laugh you out of town with those projections.

I'm going about eight years and have not cut corners on any equipment that Iv bought and I can honestly say that WFP is costing
me less than £500 a year.

Then you need a new accountant.

Just on transport & equipment my costs year to date are around £7k.

Just this month:

Road tax £225
Fuel £96
MOT £68
Pole hose & brush £45
Carbon filter x 2 £40
O clips £4

That leaves out office overheads, mobile phone etc.

£500 a year.  

How many times does somebody have to say...£500 are my WFP costs not my full business costs.

Yeah but!

£500 a year is only a tenner a week. You cant run a window cleaning business on that.

[SeanK]

Thing is Sean your list of expenses spread over a ten year time span is simply laughable, sorry. It's list alright but it's the bare minimum you might envisage what your costs might be. In reality they'll be drastically different to that. Equipment breaks down and needs replacing. Better equipment comes on the market and we upgrade. Your estimates for how long your equipment will last is generous to say the least.

If you took your figures to a bank, let's say you were looking for a business loan, they'd laugh you out of town with those projections.

I'm going about eight years and have not cut corners on any equipment that Iv bought and I can honestly say that WFP is costing
me less than £500 a year.

Then you need a new accountant.

Just on transport & equipment my costs year to date are around £7k.

Just this month:

Road tax £225
Fuel £96
MOT £68
Pole hose & brush £45
Carbon filter x 2 £40
O clips £4

That leaves out office overheads, mobile phone etc.

£500 a year.  

How many times does somebody have to say...£500 are my WFP costs not my full business costs.

How do you deliver your water and equipment to your customers?  

Isn't your van a crucial part of your WFP system?  

Are you relayed to RichyWilts?  

The same way I would deliver my ladder to my customers if I was a traditional cleaner, and my van would be a crucial part
of my system even if I was a traditional cleaner as it is as cheap to run a van as a second car.

[8weekly]

Thing is Sean your list of expenses spread over a ten year time span is simply laughable, sorry. It's list alright but it's the bare minimum you might envisage what your costs might be. In reality they'll be drastically different to that. Equipment breaks down and needs replacing. Better equipment comes on the market and we upgrade. Your estimates for how long your equipment will last is generous to say the least.

If you took your figures to a bank, let's say you were looking for a business loan, they'd laugh you out of town with those projections.

I'm going about eight years and have not cut corners on any equipment that Iv bought and I can honestly say that WFP is costing
me less than £500 a year.

Then you need a new accountant.

Just on transport & equipment my costs year to date are around £7k.

Just this month:

Road tax £225
Fuel £96
MOT £68
Pole hose & brush £45
Carbon filter x 2 £40
O clips £4

That leaves out office overheads, mobile phone etc.

£500 a year.  

How many times does somebody have to say...£500 are my WFP costs not my full business costs.

How do you deliver your water and equipment to your customers?  

Isn't your van a crucial part of your WFP system?  

Are you relayed to RichyWilts?  

The same way I would deliver my ladder to my customers if I was a traditional cleaner, and my van would be a crucial part
of my system even if I was a traditional cleaner as it is as cheap to run a van as a second car.

A second car costs money though doesn't it? 

[SeanK]

Thing is Sean your list of expenses spread over a ten year time span is simply laughable, sorry. It's list alright but it's the bare minimum you might envisage what your costs might be. In reality they'll be drastically different to that. Equipment breaks down and needs replacing. Better equipment comes on the market and we upgrade. Your estimates for how long your equipment will last is generous to say the least.

If you took your figures to a bank, let's say you were looking for a business loan, they'd laugh you out of town with those projections.

I'm going about eight years and have not cut corners on any equipment that Iv bought and I can honestly say that WFP is costing
me less than £500 a year.

Then you need a new accountant.

Just on transport & equipment my costs year to date are around £7k.

Just this month:

Road tax £225
Fuel £96
MOT £68
Pole hose & brush £45
Carbon filter x 2 £40
O clips £4

That leaves out office overheads, mobile phone etc.

£500 a year.  

How many times does somebody have to say...£500 are my WFP costs not my full business costs.

How do you deliver your water and equipment to your customers?  

Isn't your van a crucial part of your WFP system?  

Are you relayed to RichyWilts?  

The same way I would deliver my ladder to my customers if I was a traditional cleaner, and my van would be a crucial part
of my system even if I was a traditional cleaner as it is as cheap to run a van as a second car.

A second car costs money though doesn't it? 

Its a post on the difference WFP will cost you compared to using traditional methods not a post on window cleaning expenses.

[8weekly]

Thing is Sean your list of expenses spread over a ten year time span is simply laughable, sorry. It's list alright but it's the bare minimum you might envisage what your costs might be. In reality they'll be drastically different to that. Equipment breaks down and needs replacing. Better equipment comes on the market and we upgrade. Your estimates for how long your equipment will last is generous to say the least.

If you took your figures to a bank, let's say you were looking for a business loan, they'd laugh you out of town with those projections.

I'm going about eight years and have not cut corners on any equipment that Iv bought and I can honestly say that WFP is costing
me less than £500 a year.

Then you need a new accountant.

Just on transport & equipment my costs year to date are around £7k.

Just this month:

Road tax £225
Fuel £96
MOT £68
Pole hose & brush £45
Carbon filter x 2 £40
O clips £4

That leaves out office overheads, mobile phone etc.

£500 a year.  

How many times does somebody have to say...£500 are my WFP costs not my full business costs.

How do you deliver your water and equipment to your customers?  

Isn't your van a crucial part of your WFP system?  

Are you relayed to RichyWilts?  

The same way I would deliver my ladder to my customers if I was a traditional cleaner, and my van would be a crucial part
of my system even if I was a traditional cleaner as it is as cheap to run a van as a second car.

A second car costs money though doesn't it? 

Its a post on the difference WFP will cost you compared to using traditional methods not a post on window cleaning expenses.

Exactly! You don't need a van for trad. And you don't need a second car. Therefore WFP is not possible on £500 a year unless you have no customers.

[SeanK]

Seriously mate you really are in a world of your own, you don't need a second car or a van to clean using WFP
either, did you ever hear of a trailer system.
So its more than possible to clean for £500 a year using WFP methods.

[8weekly]

Seriously mate you really are in a world of your own, you don't need a second car or a van to clean using WFP
either, did you ever hear of a trailer system.
So its more than possible to clean for £500 a year using WFP methods.

'course it is.  And a sole trader can't earn more than £100 a day either. 

[SeanK]

Seriously mate you really are in a world of your own, you don't need a second car or a van to clean using WFP
either, did you ever hear of a trailer system.
So its more than possible to clean for £500 a year using WFP methods.

'course it is.  And a sole trader can't earn more than £100 a day either. 

What a sole trader can earn in a day has nothing to do with this topic, you need to stay focused mate.