[dazmond]

[ChumBucket]

Really? It's not even worthy of discussion.

[gary999]

Jakey mate stop behaving like a berk

[Jakey boy]

Jakey mate stop behaving like a berk

Just a wind up for s select few 

[Tony dunmall]

Nippy sure I really understand, am I missing something or do I need a sugar boost

[Jakey boy]

Nippy sure I really understand, am I missing something or do I need a sugar boost

Don't worry mate it's a wind up for a select few, 

[Jonny 87]

About three days.....

 

[Jakey boy]

About three days.....

 

Lol, not a chance, getting wfp system doesn't increase the amount of work, you still need to gain the work to make the wfp pay for itself, unless your literally doing £200 or more a day, then maybe 3 days....

[Tom-01]

About three days.....

 

Lol, not a chance, getting wfp system doesn't increase the amount of work, you still need to gain the work to make the wfp pay for itself, unless your literally doing £200 or more a day, then maybe 3 days....

what?

[Jonny 87]

About three days.....

 

Lol, not a chance, getting wfp system doesn't increase the amount of work, you still need to gain the work to make the wfp pay for itself, unless your literally doing £200 or more a day, then maybe 3 days....

You seem to think WFP is expensive?

Granted I've probably got a few thousand pound worth of kit in my van, but that doesn't mean you can't do it on the cheap.

A few hundred quid could set you up with a DIY trolley.

[Tom-01]

About three days.....

 

Lol, not a chance, getting wfp system doesn't increase the amount of work, you still need to gain the work to make the wfp pay for itself, unless your literally doing £200 or more a day, then maybe 3 days....

WFP makes it easier to gain work because you can do more with it.

[Jakey boy]

About three days.....

 

Lol, not a chance, getting wfp system doesn't increase the amount of work, you still need to gain the work to make the wfp pay for itself, unless your literally doing £200 or more a day, then maybe 3 days....

WFP makes it easier to gain work because you can do more with it.

Yes Tom, it usually takes a little more than 3 days though matey!

[SeanK]

Costs differ when it comes to WFP, limited access to a water supply and metered water will make it more expensive
than for somebody who can make pure at will and isn't metered.
But to be honest even with a van mount its far from an expensive way to clean windows.
Is it a better way of making money, of course its not some people are quick at WFP methods and some are slow
the same goes for traditional methods.
Plus both methods have their pros and cons.
One of the most successful shiners in my area employees about 20 full time traditional cleaners and some part time guys
if you where to tell him he would make more money converting to WFP he would laugh in your face.
For me using WFP is about keeping myself in one piece and nothing else.

[Window Lickers]

For me using WFP is about keeping myself in one piece and nothing else.

+1

In addition to making a significant amount more money in a far easier manner. After grafting for a day on ladder I used to crash out when I got in, thats not happened in years - even with carrying a far heavier wallet 


Its win win. I just cannot fathom how people think the additional cost of WFP cannot be covered by the extra work that youre able to do. I must be missing a trick or they must be. Its one or the other. Its black and white. Theres no discussion about it IMO. Those extra costs that WFP have associated with them are covered and exceeded by a long long way.

 

[SeanK]

Its all in the luck of the draw Matt, I have windows that I can fly through and others that require a bit of
faffing about, get a bigger percentage of these second types on your round and things might look different.
The latter types could more than likely be cleaned quicker using tradition methods but like I say its safety first
for me.

[dazmond]

if you already have a good amount of work investing in wfp will be a smart move esp if your a sole trader.

over 5 years my expenses work out at around £5,000 a year.when i was 100% trad it was more like £2,500 a year.

mines a DIY system though(tank/frame/pumpbox)and expensive hi modulus carbon poles.a cheap,clean second hand van signwritten.lots of work within 6 miles so hardly any money spent on fuel.

you ll work in the rain and most inclement weather,youll be faster after a few months(esp if you have a van mount and 100m microbore)and you ll be able to clean larger,more awkward properties a lot faster than ladders.

of course there is the option to offer other cleaning services as well(f/s/g,conny roofs and solar panels)which all add up to extra income.once your familiar with cleaning these jobs,if you price well you can earn more money on them than regular window cleaning.

your working day will be shorter(actually window cleaning not including "end of the day" jobs like purifying water,charging batteries etc)

you ll enjoy work more(i do anyway than i used to climbing ladders all day!)

you should earn a lot more money over the course of a few years that goes well beyond the expense of wfp once your up to speed.thats what ive found anyway.

ive picked up a lot of good jobs because i use a wfp system rather than ladders.

i should top over 20k extra a year this year than 5 years ago when i was 100% trad so for me its been astounding and a brilliant move although i didnt think so at the time back then.

so is it worth the extra £2,500 a year in expenses compared to trad only?easily!

[SeanK]

Dazmond while I agree with what you say above there's no reason why WFP should cost you an extra £2500
a year in expenses unless your comparing a beer money cleaner to a full time WFP cleaner.
If you leave out the vehicle then WFP costs me just over £550 a year and that's with a professionally fitted system.

System fitted with a couple of poles £2500.
Over 10 years....
Two R.O. membranes £500
SLX poles , brushes and fittings £1000
Pre filters, batteries and a replacement pump lets say another £1000.
11 litres of resin will last me over a year and with a new membrane I would get two so lets say £500
That's £5500 over 10 years or £550 a year and two be honest I'm sure it could be done cheaper.
Even with metered water its not going to add a massive difference to your yearly bill.

[Window Lickers]

If you leave out the vehicle then

  Why would you leave out the vehicle.

[Tom-01]

I was speaking to a window cleaner about 1.5 years ago. He had a van with WFP to us on just Georgian windows and 2 guys out in cars doing trad all day everyday. I said why don't you convert everything to WFP? He said he wouldn't because each guy would be finished by lunchtime. So I said then surely it's worth doing and canvassing for more work and fill their days up, he wouldn't have to pay them any more money, and the expenses would soon be recouped. He went a bit quiet.

You do earn more money using WFP over trad.

[dazmond]

If you leave out the vehicle then

  Why would you leave out the vehicle.

exactly!why would you leave out your van?mine is specifically just used for work.the 5k a year includes ALL REPAIRS,PARTS,ETC,TAX,MOT,INSURANCE AND THE COST OF BUYING THE VAN(over a 5 year period).

poles,brushes,connectors,resin,water bill,pumps,hose and reels,workwear,detergent,rubbers,cloths,phone/internet,cleaner planner,stationary,ink,leisure batteries,vinyl wrap and signwriting etc,etc