[Jakey boy]

Joey I'm not having a go at you lol,it's just ridiculous for anyone to ever compare the 2 in speed or amount you can earn compared,I've done both for a long time so I've compared some of the same work with both methods of working and there's like I say no comparison

Yes there is a compassion! Of course there is! You are obvious slow at trad so that's why your so sure on wfp. Others, however, are obviously much faster.

[NWH]

For someone to list all those so called reasons not to go WFP shows 100 percent they have no clue how to use and what's achievable working Waterfed,I was trad some 14-15 years so I've seen both ends of the stick and i would never go back to working traditionally. I obviously do insides by hand and I'm more than happy but outsides are done WFP purely because it earns me far more money,I work to earn money in the quickest less back breaking efficient way,a pump battery's and equipment you need to keep up and running are peanuts when you look at what your earning compared to before doing it by hand. You always hear trad boys saying they can earn the same but they normally have a couple blokes with them and are at least 2 or 3 handed,the traditional cleaners that work on there own only see the bigger picture a lot quicker than the above mentioned.

Your a complete div.

If your a wuss then you'll moan about the cold, be a man and get on with it.

I use both and wfp is fantastic, but trad is as fast and faster on some houses, that's what I find. It may be that I'm faster than people like you at trad which is why. However I'm not at all slow with wfp, I've got to a pace that cannot be improved without results suffering, there's no way anyone can be so certain that trad isn't as fast, when it simply is at times.

Not my houses it's not as there mainly of the large variety,do you want me to show you a couple of pictures of big houses so you know what I mean lol

[Jakey boy]

for the 'global  moderator' mocking the disabled isnt great.

Yes, you're right, mate.  I apologise for mocking you.  Sorry.  I'll make a donation to charity to make up for it.

Tosh for a moderator, you are at times  bit hasty with your comments, I don't think its good business or professionalism to join in the banter with us, your supposed to be the sensible one, it is a bit unprofessional for you seen as your the moderator?? Now if you weren't the moderator then by all means slag and hate all you want.  But maybe you should be a bit more neutral?

Don't want you getting in trouble  

[Jonny 87]

for the 'global  moderator' mocking the disabled isnt great.

Yes, you're right, mate.  I apologise for mocking you.  Sorry.  I'll make a donation to charity to make up for it.

Tosh for a moderator, you are at times  bit hasty with your comments, I don't think its good business or professionalism to join in the banter with us, your supposed to be the sensible one, it is a bit unprofessional for you seen as your the moderator?? Now if you weren't the moderator then by all means slag and hate all you want.  But maybe you should be a bit more neutral?

Don't want you getting in trouble  

You can tell your quite new here. 

[Jonny 87]

Actually you've been here since 2010. I take it back.

You should know better by now then. Lol

[Jakey boy]

For someone to list all those so called reasons not to go WFP shows 100 percent they have no clue how to use and what's achievable working Waterfed,I was trad some 14-15 years so I've seen both ends of the stick and i would never go back to working traditionally. I obviously do insides by hand and I'm more than happy but outsides are done WFP purely because it earns me far more money,I work to earn money in the quickest less back breaking efficient way,a pump battery's and equipment you need to keep up and running are peanuts when you look at what your earning compared to before doing it by hand. You always hear trad boys saying they can earn the same but they normally have a couple blokes with them and are at least 2 or 3 handed,the traditional cleaners that work on there own only see the bigger picture a lot quicker than the above mentioned.

Your a complete div.

If your a wuss then you'll moan about the cold, be a man and get on with it.

I use both and wfp is fantastic, but trad is as fast and faster on some houses, that's what I find. It may be that I'm faster than people like you at trad which is why. However I'm not at all slow with wfp, I've got to a pace that cannot be improved without results suffering, there's no way anyone can be so certain that trad isn't as fast, when it simply is at times.

Not my houses it's not as there mainly of the large variety,do you want me to show you a couple of pictures of big houses so you know what I mean lol

I also clean huge houses, but as stated there are some houses where trad is faster/easier that's all were saying. If wfp was the best way every time, then I wouldn't be bothering to carry trad gear with me.

[NWH]

Joey I'm not having a go at you lol,it's just ridiculous for anyone to ever compare the 2 in speed or amount you can earn compared,I've done both for a long time so I've compared some of the same work with both methods of working and there's like I say no comparison

Yes there is a compassion! Of course there is! You are obvious slow at trad so that's why your so sure on wfp. Others, however, are obviously much faster.

I was very quick traditional every 3 run up the ladder almost running but still wouldn't keep up now,how could you be just walking about waving a pole. God I must have climbed to the moon and back many times lol

[rosskesava]

and i have no comment on speeed, mayb you do work quicker, i dont know, i dont care. iv said countless times your having a go like im slating wfp co pared to trad i am not... lol

Joey, I take you like to clean windows trad then?

Joking aside, as you're happy cleaning windows that way then you've nothing to justify to anyone else.

I sometimes think that life 100% trad was a whole lot simpler.

[Jakey boy]

Actually you've been here since 2010. I take it back.

You should know better by now then. Lol

It's more that if someone complained it may mean the site is shut down or gets a bad name (it already has lol) cos a moderator should act professionally.

Yes I've been here since 2010, in 5 years I've learnt almost nothing, but had some cracking laughs on threads like this. This forum is full of know it all's and plonkers.

Take this thread - I simply said that some houses are quicker trad and it turned into world war 3!  

[NWH]

Lot of weak people watching this thread and not backing me up lol,good job I know I'm right

[Jakey boy]

and i have no comment on speeed, mayb you do work quicker, i dont know, i dont care. iv said countless times your having a go like im slating wfp co pared to trad i am not... lol

Joey, I take you like to clean windows trad then?

Joking aside, as you're happy cleaning windows that way then you've nothing to justify to anyone else.

I sometimes think that life 100% trad was a whole lot simpler.

They both have amazing pros and horrible cons. So having both at your disposal is a no brainer. All bases covered then. However, staying trad isNt a bad thing at all, much less hassle, more profit to layout etc etc etc etc bla bla bla

[NWH]

Been on here 5 years and learnt nothing is the truest thing you've said this evening lol

[Jakey boy]

Been on here 5 years and learnt nothing is the truest thing you've said this evening lol

That's one more true point than you've made then 

[Joey Eastwood]

jakey, ignore them mate, let em get on  with it..

funnily enough iv been on pure freedom website might make a purchase soon what wfp system you using? i like the idea of building my own

[Joey Eastwood]

and i have no comment on speeed, mayb you do work quicker, i dont know, i dont care. iv said countless times your having a go like im slating wfp co pared to trad i am not... lol

Joey, I take you like to clean windows trad then?

Joking aside, as you're happy cleaning windows that way then you've nothing to justify to anyone else.

I sometimes think that life 100% trad was a whole lot simpler.

yeah mate i love it to be honest, it can be a pain tho. im looking to get wfp sorted in the spring and probably keep it more as a back up / cant be bothered to ladderclimb day thing. There are a few of my rounds id be better off wfp and i aint gonna get any younger i suppose.

[rosskesava]

yeah mate i love it to be honest, it can be a pain tho. im looking to get wfp sorted in the spring and probably keep it more as a back up / cant be bothered to ladderclimb day thing. There are a few of my rounds id be better off wfp and i aint gonna get any younger i suppose.

The ladder climb - that's the problem as you get older, it don't get easier or even stay the same.

TBH, if all my work was bungalows and shops, I'd go back to doing it all trad. I'm fortunate in that I don't have a mortgage to pay as it's all paid up.

If you do get a wfp setup, just see it as another tool to do the job with and as time goes on, the advantages (and drawbacks) will become clear.

[Tom-01]

You can get more done in a day using WFP than trad

I'll say it again:

You can get more done in a day using WFP than trad.

If WFP didn't exist I wouldn't be a window cleaner. I'm not scared of heights. I don't mind getting cold hands. And I know how to trad and I'm very quick. But the bottom line is you earn more money WFP. Out of all my customers not one of them can be cleaned quicker being done trad. Some may have houses that are slightly quicker - but is that cleaning all the frames and door hinges PROPERLY..? Hmmm. 

Someone said they can clean two £10 houses in half an hour whilst WFP would take the same time for one £20 house. 1) That's probably not true. And 2) The trad guy would have to get double the customers, which means double the paperwork. Which also means double the amount of time canvassing and quoting. More customers owing money so a bigger debt list to manage.

Half the work for the same money? From being trad before to now using WFP it's probably a quarter of the work for the same money.

[G Griffin]

for the 'global  moderator' mocking the disabled isnt great.

Yes, you're right, mate.  I apologise for mocking you.  Sorry.  I'll make a donation to charity to make up for it.

Tosh for a moderator, you are at times  bit hasty with your comments, I don't think its good business or professionalism to join in the banter with us, your supposed to be the sensible one, it is a bit unprofessional for you seen as your the moderator?? Now if you weren't the moderator then by all means slag and hate all you want.  But maybe you should be a bit more neutral?

Don't want you getting in trouble  

You're right, Jakey.
I don't know who she thinks she is sometimes. She very unprofessional.

[Tom White]

 

[Johnny B]

Do you levitate to the upstairs ones?

Almost, I'm very quick at trad, learnt the trade that way and after years of trad, you get very quick, I tend to be half wfp and half trad. The problem with wfp for me is rinsing, it's very time consuming on hydrophobic glass, seems to take forever for the bits of dirt to fall down. Whereas trad, the squeegee just owns the window in seconds!

increase your flow rate. Rinsing takes me about 4 seconds. NOT LONG

I rinse on about 45 From shurflo...

I rinse on about 98 from shurflo....with fan jets

This bloke knows what he's talking about.


If you can't rinse fast you've still something to learn. It's quite simple but you've not learnt it all yet if you think rinsing on a half setting is going to earn you decent money.

You can rinse like mad but some windows just takes forever compared to trad.

I know this first hand. Wfp is great, trad is just better for some houses, there are times when dragging the hose around and through garages etc is defiantly slower than tradding. It's just a matter of fact. Trad can be faster than wfp on some houses. That's what I said in the original post.

Other benfits with trad are:

Can do Insides
Can hop over gates and fences easily
Can go over garage roofs
Can charge more if other window cleaners won't use trad
Can do first Cleans in half the time of wfp
Can get stains off in seconds on upstairs windows.
Next to zero outlay
Next to zero tool maintenance
Next to zero space in van taken up
No leaks
No freezing
No money to be spent on batteries pumps poles bla bla bla.

The list is endless, there are many many perks to trad.

There are also many perks to wfp, hence why I use it! / Just not for every house. Simple.

you forgot to mention the mundane freezing cold hands freezing cold ladders being on 6-7 bed houses upwards forever in a day feeling completely knackered come Wednesday,and that's without earning about a 1/3 less money than you can earn walking around a job pushing a pole up and down thinking God this is a piece of p. I think I might start doing it off of ladders again I must be an idiot.

a third as much???  lmao your not a window cleaner your a comedian. do you think just because we use a different method to you that we earn  minimum wage or something LOL.  you where a bit annoying now your just a plain idiot the way you are going on, its like you have to defend your way of cleaning, perhaps its you who doesnt earn enouh you sound pretty insecure, its me and jakey that are happy 

I'm a happy tradder too! 

John