[NWH]

For someone to list all those so called reasons not to go WFP shows 100 percent they have no clue how to use and what's achievable working Waterfed,I was trad some 14-15 years so I've seen both ends of the stick and i would never go back to working traditionally. I obviously do insides by hand and I'm more than happy but outsides are done WFP purely because it earns me far more money,I work to earn money in the quickest less back breaking efficient way,a pump battery's and equipment you need to keep up and running are peanuts when you look at what your earning compared to before doing it by hand. You always hear trad boys saying they can earn the same but they normally have a couple blokes with them and are at least 2 or 3 handed,the traditional cleaners that work on there own only see the bigger picture a lot quicker than the above mentioned.

[Joey Eastwood]

the simple fact is im not arguing anything is better than anything else, im arguing that im trad and im happy, safe, and make a good living. a few cant seem to understand that and  i dont understand why...

[Tom White]

for the 'global  moderator' mocking the disabled isnt great.

Yes, you're right, mate.  I apologise for mocking you.  Sorry.  I'll make a donation to charity to make up for it.

[Joey Eastwood]

For someone to list all those so called reasons not to go WFP shows 100 percent they have no clue how to use and what's achievable working Waterfed,I was trad some 14-15 years so I've seen both ends of the stick and i would never go back to working traditionally. I obviously do insides by hand and I'm more than happy but outsides are done WFP purely because it earns me far more money,I work to earn money in the quickest less back breaking efficient way,a pump battery's and equipment you need to keep up and running are peanuts when you look at what your earning compared to before doing it by hand. You always hear trad boys saying they can earn the same but they normally have a couple blokes with them and are at least 2 or 3 handed,the traditional cleaners that work on there own only see the bigger picture a lot quicker than the above mentioned.

yes thst is great mate, im not arguing against anything you have said, my simple point is i am happy the way i am, why is that a problem for you??? you dont know how much i clean a day, how many i employ etc etc so who are you to go on like i earn a pittance compared to you?

[Jonny 87]

the simple fact is im not arguing anything is better than anything else, im arguing that im trad and im happy, safe, and make a good living. a few cant seem to understand that and  i dont understand why...

No matter how you look at it though ladders aren't "safe".

Statistics prove that. You can make things as safe as possible, but when your up and down a ladder a hundred times a day there is a lot of risk involved.

[8weekly]

for the 'global  moderator' mocking the disabled isnt great.

Yes, you're right, mate.  I apologise for mocking you.  Sorry.  I'll make a donation to charity to make up for it.

I think that went over his head.

[Joey Eastwood]

the simple fact is im not arguing anything is better than anything else, im arguing that im trad and im happy, safe, and make a good living. a few cant seem to understand that and  i dont understand why...

No matter how you look at it though ladders aren't "safe".

Statistics prove that. You can make things as safe as possible, but when your up and down a ladder a hundred times a day there is a lot of risk involved.

the whole world isnt safe, give it a rest. iv been on ladders 7 years and i am fine. i know a pole cleaner who got caught on a power line, want to know how that ended.... look at the last comment,  ''i was on ladders 17 years'' well OBVIOUSLY YOU SURVIVED..........  you sre all going on like im attacking wfp, saying trad is better, I AM NOT, I  SAYING I PREFER TRAD PERSONALLY, WHY DONT YOU GET IT

[gary999]

the simple fact is im not arguing anything is better than anything else, im arguing that im trad and im happy, safe, and make a good living. a few cant seem to understand that and  i dont understand why...

I would dispute the safe bit..far better working with both feet on solid
ground..but if you are happy then fair play

[Joey Eastwood]

for the 'global  moderator' mocking the disabled isnt great.

Yes, you're right, mate.  I apologise for mocking you.  Sorry.  I'll make a donation to charity to make up for it.

I think that went over his head.

yeah that went over my head, i didnt understand he meant sorry for mocking me because i said mocking the disabled, he basically said im disabled,  c you next tuesday...

[Joey Eastwood]

the simple fact is im not arguing anything is better than anything else, im arguing that im trad and im happy, safe, and make a good living. a few cant seem to understand that and  i dont understand why...

I would dispute the safe bit..far better working with both feet on solid
ground..but if you are happy then fair play

gary please will you explain that i am simply saying im happy trad. they seem to think im saying it it is better or quicker than wfp which i am not..  iv tried to explain  but they do not get it,  very defensive bunch lol

[NWH]

Joey I'm not having a go at you lol,it's just ridiculous for anyone to ever compare the 2 in speed or amount you can earn compared,I've done both for a long time so I've compared some of the same work with both methods of working and there's like I say no comparison

[Joey Eastwood]

Joey I'm not having a go at you lol,it's just ridiculous for anyone to ever compare the 2 in speed or amount you can earn compared,I've done both for a long time so I've compared some of the same work with both methods of working and there's like I say no comparison

why not, you dont know how much i earn. you think because im trad i work cheap? how do you know my pricing structure, have you been following me? no exactly so you cant say that lol.

[Jonny 87]

the simple fact is im not arguing anything is better than anything else, im arguing that im trad and im happy, safe, and make a good living. a few cant seem to understand that and  i dont understand why...

No matter how you look at it though ladders aren't "safe".

Statistics prove that. You can make things as safe as possible, but when your up and down a ladder a hundred times a day there is a lot of risk involved.

the whole world isnt safe, give it a rest. iv been on ladders 7 years and i am fine. i know a pole cleaner who got caught on a power line, want to know how that ended.... look at the last comment,  ''i was on ladders 17 years'' well OBVIOUSLY YOU SURVIVED..........  you sre all going on like im attacking wfp, saying trad is better, I AM NOT, I  SAYING I PREFER TRAD PERSONALLY, WHY DONT YOU GET IT

Were all just trying to help. Trying to get you to see the light and move over to the dark side.

In all seriousness though at the tail end of last year there was a window cleaner local to me who died from a fall. (He'd been going for 20 years plus) and dozens of window cleaners die each year in the uk from falling.

Everyone is entitled to work the way they want to, and you don't have to justify anything to anyone, but don't say that ladders are safe.

Going up and down ladders to clean a window these days to me seems to be an unnecessary risk, and as this is a forum I have the right to voice that opinion. Just like you have the right to say you feel ladders are totally safe.

[Joey Eastwood]

Joey I'm not having a go at you lol,it's just ridiculous for anyone to ever compare the 2 in speed or amount you can earn compared,I've done both for a long time so I've compared some of the same work with both methods of working and there's like I say no comparison

and i have no comment on speeed, mayb you do work quicker, i dont know, i dont care. iv said countless times your having a go like im slating wfp co pared to trad i am not... lol

[Joey Eastwood]

the simple fact is im not arguing anything is better than anything else, im arguing that im trad and im happy, safe, and make a good living. a few cant seem to understand that and  i dont understand why...

No matter how you look at it though ladders aren't "safe".

Statistics prove that. You can make things as safe as possible, but when your up and down a ladder a hundred times a day there is a lot of risk involved.

the whole world isnt safe, give it a rest. iv been on ladders 7 years and i am fine. i know a pole cleaner who got caught on a power line, want to know how that ended.... look at the last comment,  ''i was on ladders 17 years'' well OBVIOUSLY YOU SURVIVED..........  you sre all going on like im attacking wfp, saying trad is better, I AM NOT, I  SAYING I PREFER TRAD PERSONALLY, WHY DONT YOU GET IT

Were all just trying to help. Trying to get you to see the light and move over to the dark side.

In all seriousness though at the tail end of last year there was a window cleaner local to me who died from a fall. (He'd been going for 20 years plus) and dozens of window cleaners die each year in the uk from falling.

Everyone is entitled to work the way they want to, and you don't have to justify anything to anyone, but don't say that ladders are safe.

Going up and down ladders to clean a window these days to me seems to be an unnecessary risk, and as this is a forum I have the right to voice that opinion. Just like you have the right to say you feel ladders are totally safe.

like a lot of guys have said mate they where trad for 15 odd years, they all survived... if you arent an idiot it isnt hard to be safe. builders use ladders every day, so do alot of tradesmen. for all you know tomorrrow you could be cleaing a window and trip over, bang your head and die, theres always a risk thsts life lol! i agine what all you cleaners would do if there was no wfp,  youd  be in the offices you clean typing away on minuinimum wage, id still be earning 50quid an hour on my ladder

[8weekly]

the simple fact is im not arguing anything is better than anything else, im arguing that im trad and im happy, safe, and make a good living. a few cant seem to understand that and  i dont understand why...

No matter how you look at it though ladders aren't "safe".

Statistics prove that. You can make things as safe as possible, but when your up and down a ladder a hundred times a day there is a lot of risk involved.

the whole world isnt safe, give it a rest. iv been on ladders 7 years and i am fine. i know a pole cleaner who got caught on a power line, want to know how that ended.... look at the last comment,  ''i was on ladders 17 years'' well OBVIOUSLY YOU SURVIVED..........  you sre all going on like im attacking wfp, saying trad is better, I AM NOT, I  SAYING I PREFER TRAD PERSONALLY, WHY DONT YOU GET IT

Were all just trying to help. Trying to get you to see the light and move over to the dark side.

In all seriousness though at the tail end of last year there was a window cleaner local to me who died from a fall. (He'd been going for 20 years plus) and dozens of window cleaners die each year in the uk from falling.

Everyone is entitled to work the way they want to, and you don't have to justify anything to anyone, but don't say that ladders are safe.

Going up and down ladders to clean a window these days to me seems to be an unnecessary risk, and as this is a forum I have the right to voice that opinion. Just like you have the right to say you feel ladders are totally safe.

like a lot of guys have said mate they where trad for 15 odd years, they all survived... if you arent an idiot it isnt hard to be safe. builders use ladders every day, so do alot of tradesmen. for all you know tomorrrow you could be cleaing a window and trip over, bang your head and die, theres always a risk thsts life lol! i agine what all you cleaners would do if there was no wfp,  youd  be in the offices you clean typing away on minuinimum wage, id still be earning 50quid an hour on my ladder

Using a ladder for access is a lot safer than working off of ladders.

[NWH]

Joey Dunlop,all those TT'S he won all the other road races but one little mistake he made one day cost him his life.You only need to fall off once that's your lot if you fall wrong,I've fallen off a few times over the years gone by but have been lucky,I think what a few are trying to say is that there is no need to climb ladders at all these days so why do it. Not only safety it's bloody knackering to

[j timms]

Could everyone just let it go now. Any newbie looking at this forum would think its a forum for idiots if reading the posts on this topic. As I said earlier , how people run there business is up to them. I think everyone knows both methods work if used correctly and clearly some people r more comfortable using ladders than others. Don't turn what is a useful forum for gaining tips on all methods of window cleaning into a petty slanging match.

[Jakey boy]

For someone to list all those so called reasons not to go WFP shows 100 percent they have no clue how to use and what's achievable working Waterfed,I was trad some 14-15 years so I've seen both ends of the stick and i would never go back to working traditionally. I obviously do insides by hand and I'm more than happy but outsides are done WFP purely because it earns me far more money,I work to earn money in the quickest less back breaking efficient way,a pump battery's and equipment you need to keep up and running are peanuts when you look at what your earning compared to before doing it by hand. You always hear trad boys saying they can earn the same but they normally have a couple blokes with them and are at least 2 or 3 handed,the traditional cleaners that work on there own only see the bigger picture a lot quicker than the above mentioned.

Your a complete div.

If your a wuss then you'll moan about the cold, be a man and get on with it.

I use both and wfp is fantastic, but trad is as fast and faster on some houses, that's what I find. It may be that I'm faster than people like you at trad which is why. However I'm not at all slow with wfp, I've got to a pace that cannot be improved without results suffering, there's no way anyone can be so certain that trad isn't as fast, when it simply is at times.

[Jonny 87]

the simple fact is im not arguing anything is better than anything else, im arguing that im trad and im happy, safe, and make a good living. a few cant seem to understand that and  i dont understand why...

No matter how you look at it though ladders aren't "safe".

Statistics prove that. You can make things as safe as possible, but when your up and down a ladder a hundred times a day there is a lot of risk involved.

the whole world isnt safe, give it a rest. iv been on ladders 7 years and i am fine. i know a pole cleaner who got caught on a power line, want to know how that ended.... look at the last comment,  ''i was on ladders 17 years'' well OBVIOUSLY YOU SURVIVED..........  you sre all going on like im attacking wfp, saying trad is better, I AM NOT, I  SAYING I PREFER TRAD PERSONALLY, WHY DONT YOU GET IT

Were all just trying to help. Trying to get you to see the light and move over to the dark side.

In all seriousness though at the tail end of last year there was a window cleaner local to me who died from a fall. (He'd been going for 20 years plus) and dozens of window cleaners die each year in the uk from falling.

Everyone is entitled to work the way they want to, and you don't have to justify anything to anyone, but don't say that ladders are safe.

Going up and down ladders to clean a window these days to me seems to be an unnecessary risk, and as this is a forum I have the right to voice that opinion. Just like you have the right to say you feel ladders are totally safe.

like a lot of guys have said mate they where trad for 15 odd years, they all survived... if you arent an idiot it isnt hard to be safe. builders use ladders every day, so do alot of tradesmen. for all you know tomorrrow you could be cleaing a window and trip over, bang your head and die, theres always a risk thsts life lol! i agine what all you cleaners would do if there was no wfp,  youd  be in the offices you clean typing away on minuinimum wage, id still be earning 50quid an hour on my ladder

Not at all. I'd still be trad aswell. You seem to feel your the only trad cleaner here.  

I (and many others) have just come to the realisation that there is no need in the 21st century to still be climbing up a ladder when I can do the same (arguably better and faster) job with 2 feet firmly on the ground.

Also if your earning £50 an hour now, then you could easily add an extra 20% to your profit with WFP. It's a no brainer.