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Dave Willis

Re: I'm forever blowing bubbles.
« Reply #80 on: January 22, 2015, 05:55:14 pm »
Designed by who and in what laboratory.

 

Jonny 87

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Re: I'm forever blowing bubbles.
« Reply #81 on: January 22, 2015, 06:05:54 pm »
Designed by who and in what laboratory.

 

Myself, Kevin and David.

Something like this;

http://youtu.be/gb3A9zFjrvk
Vision Technician / Visual Engineer /  Vision Enhancement Operative /...........................................................OnlyUseMeWFP AkA Jonny the Windy Wesher

Lee GLS

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Re: I'm forever blowing bubbles.
« Reply #82 on: January 22, 2015, 06:07:38 pm »
I stuck some GG4 in my tank today and as far is I can tell it seems to do exactly what vision does. Brush glides better, bubbles on the windows when cleaning (although the bubbles with GG4 disappear quicker than vision which is much better when rinsing) and the glass is left with extra shine. Wether it aids cleaning is debatable, not really going to be able to tell until the summer.


Lee have you tried vision? A side by side comparison should show you why vision is better (in our opinion) than just something off the shelf like gg4. Would be interested to hear your thoughts.



Yes I have both.

What you may have is a mix of vision (what was left in your tank) and gg4. After a few weeks of just using gg4 the difference should be quite noticeable between gg4 and vision. Keep us posted. :)

I haven't used vision for a couple of weeks, so I only had pure water in the tank. I was just interested to see what GG4 was like in comparison. I can't see myself using either long term as I don't really see any real benefit from them. I will try again in the spring/summer when snail trails/bee poo ect are baked on the windows more. As it is everything comes off the glass fine at them moment as everywhere is damp so everything comes off easily.

Jonny 87

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Re: I'm forever blowing bubbles.
« Reply #83 on: January 22, 2015, 06:21:10 pm »
I stuck some GG4 in my tank today and as far is I can tell it seems to do exactly what vision does. Brush glides better, bubbles on the windows when cleaning (although the bubbles with GG4 disappear quicker than vision which is much better when rinsing) and the glass is left with extra shine. Wether it aids cleaning is debatable, not really going to be able to tell until the summer.


Lee have you tried vision? A side by side comparison should show you why vision is better (in our opinion) than just something off the shelf like gg4. Would be interested to hear your thoughts.



Yes I have both.

What you may have is a mix of vision (what was left in your tank) and gg4. After a few weeks of just using gg4 the difference should be quite noticeable between gg4 and vision. Keep us posted. :)

I haven't used vision for a couple of weeks, so I only had pure water in the tank. I was just interested to see what GG4 was like in comparison. I can't see myself using either long term as I don't really see any real benefit from them. I will try again in the spring/summer when snail trails/bee poo ect are baked on the windows more. As it is everything comes off the glass fine at them moment as everywhere is damp so everything comes off easily.

The summer will be a good test. I would definitely recommend using the full bottle of vision though and then make your mind up after. We are getting a lot of emails and messages that people are finding the most benefit on the second cleans as It gets better with time.
Vision Technician / Visual Engineer /  Vision Enhancement Operative /...........................................................OnlyUseMeWFP AkA Jonny the Windy Wesher

Dave Willis

Re: I'm forever blowing bubbles.
« Reply #84 on: January 22, 2015, 06:22:32 pm »
Lee, That's exactly my opinion too. I've used very strong mixes of Virosol, Ubik200 and G101 on snail trails and blood spots in summer and none of them exactly whip the dirt off so GG4 or Vision will hardly beat them at it at such tiny dilution rates. There just isn't enough power to do that. I've had hardened  bird poo today that didn't shift with neat Virosol or pure water mix and had to be scraped off with a blade.

Clever Forum Name

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Re: I'm forever blowing bubbles.
« Reply #85 on: January 22, 2015, 06:28:20 pm »
I stuck some GG4 in my tank today and as far is I can tell it seems to do exactly what vision does. Brush glides better, bubbles on the windows when cleaning (although the bubbles with GG4 disappear quicker than vision which is much better when rinsing) and the glass is left with extra shine. Wether it aids cleaning is debatable, not really going to be able to tell until the summer.


Lee have you tried vision? A side by side comparison should show you why vision is better (in our opinion) than just something off the shelf like gg4. Would be interested to hear your thoughts.



Yes I have both.

What you may have is a mix of vision (what was left in your tank) and gg4. After a few weeks of just using gg4 the difference should be quite noticeable between gg4 and vision. Keep us posted. :)

I haven't used vision for a couple of weeks, so I only had pure water in the tank. I was just interested to see what GG4 was like in comparison. I can't see myself using either long term as I don't really see any real benefit from them. I will try again in the spring/summer when snail trails/bee poo ect are baked on the windows more. As it is everything comes off the glass fine at them moment as everywhere is damp so everything comes off easily.

The summer will be a good test. I would definitely recommend using the full bottle of vision though and then make your mind up after. We are getting a lot of emails and messages that people are finding the most benefit on the second cleans as It gets better with time.

My dad said tonight he is flying with it. Due to the extra glide he is finding Leaded windows a real pleasure to clean same as me. I am DELIBERATELY not telling my dad about any plus points i am finding about Vision. So far i would say everything i have found to be a positive, so has he.

Will be ordering very very very soon 3 bottles is free postage is it not?

Dave Willis

Re: I'm forever blowing bubbles.
« Reply #86 on: January 22, 2015, 06:33:15 pm »
Oh Jeez  ::)roll

You've gone through 100,000 litres of pure water in three weeks. Amazing.

Clever Forum Name

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Re: I'm forever blowing bubbles.
« Reply #87 on: January 22, 2015, 06:40:42 pm »
Oh Jeez  ::)roll

You've gone through 100,000 litres of pure water in three weeks. Amazing.

Where does it say i have?

Bungle

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Re: I'm forever blowing bubbles.
« Reply #88 on: January 22, 2015, 06:53:50 pm »
Oh Jeez  ::)roll

You've gone through 100,000 litres of pure water in three weeks. Amazing.

 ;D you got em sussed Dave
We look at them, they look through them.

Clever Forum Name

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Re: I'm forever blowing bubbles.
« Reply #89 on: January 22, 2015, 07:02:07 pm »
LOL you two are as bad as seanK PLEASE get your facts straight!

3 weeks eh?

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=191384.msg1653448#msg1653448

You will see my first day with Vision is the 4th December.

Also PLEASE note Vision is not being tested by JUST me.

Bungle

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Re: I'm forever blowing bubbles.
« Reply #90 on: January 22, 2015, 07:17:55 pm »
I stuck some GG4 in my tank today and as far is I can tell it seems to do exactly what vision does. Brush glides better, bubbles on the windows when cleaning (although the bubbles with GG4 disappear quicker than vision which is much better when rinsing) and the glass is left with extra shine. Wether it aids cleaning is debatable, not really going to be able to tell until the summer.


Lee have you tried vision? A side by side comparison should show you why vision is better (in our opinion) than just something off the shelf like gg4. Would be interested to hear your thoughts.



Yes I have both.

What you may have is a mix of vision (what was left in your tank) and gg4. After a few weeks of just using gg4 the difference should be quite noticeable between gg4 and vision. Keep us posted. :)

I haven't used vision for a couple of weeks, so I only had pure water in the tank. I was just interested to see what GG4 was like in comparison. I can't see myself using either long term as I don't really see any real benefit from them. I will try again in the spring/summer when snail trails/bee poo ect are baked on the windows more. As it is everything comes off the glass fine at them moment as everywhere is damp so everything comes off easily.

The summer will be a good test. I would definitely recommend using the full bottle of vision though and then make your mind up after. We are getting a lot of emails and messages that people are finding the most benefit on the second cleans as It gets better with time.

My dad said tonight he is flying with it. Due to the extra glide he is finding Leaded windows a real pleasure to clean same as me. I am DELIBERATELY not telling my dad about any plus points i am finding about Vision. So far i would say everything i have found to be a positive, so has he.

Will be ordering very very very soon 3 bottles is free postage is it not?

So, what else has dad said he's finding good about vision? Is it sheeting for him? Certainly not for me. In fact I've been doing 2nd cleans with it and noticed some weird findings on arrival. Good job it's winter and custy doesn't look out the window much this time of year.
We look at them, they look through them.

kempy

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Re: I'm forever blowing bubbles.
« Reply #91 on: January 22, 2015, 09:18:20 pm »
I was going to say a few things but ........

I'm totally bored of a few of these persons .

Had good banter with Dave  Wiilis , but SeanK is just special .

From being told we have re-packaged and labelled another product  is just crazy as I'm sure we would get fined for copy-right .

I'm just amazed .

I could go on and on .
But ..... It's just pointless .
We've been as professional as we can . And remained calm .

Happy cleaning

Frankybadboy

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Re: I'm forever blowing bubbles.
« Reply #92 on: January 22, 2015, 09:27:21 pm »
I was going to say a few things but ........

I'm totally bored of a few of these persons .

Had good banter with Dave  Wiilis , but SeanK is just special .

From being told we have re-packaged and labelled another product  is just crazy as I'm sure we would get fined for copy-right .

I'm just amazed .

I could go on and on .
But ..... It's just pointless .
We've been as professional as we can . And remained calm .

Happy cleaning
well abit rich coming from someone who throw there toys out the pram and said he would never come on this forum again. ;D ;D ;D ;D

kempy

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Re: I'm forever blowing bubbles.
« Reply #93 on: January 22, 2015, 10:21:24 pm »
True , but I've picked them up of the floor and put them back into the Pram

 ;D ;D

Clever Forum Name

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Re: I'm forever blowing bubbles.
« Reply #94 on: January 22, 2015, 10:26:55 pm »
I stuck some GG4 in my tank today and as far is I can tell it seems to do exactly what vision does. Brush glides better, bubbles on the windows when cleaning (although the bubbles with GG4 disappear quicker than vision which is much better when rinsing) and the glass is left with extra shine. Wether it aids cleaning is debatable, not really going to be able to tell until the summer.


Lee have you tried vision? A side by side comparison should show you why vision is better (in our opinion) than just something off the shelf like gg4. Would be interested to hear your thoughts.



Yes I have both.

What you may have is a mix of vision (what was left in your tank) and gg4. After a few weeks of just using gg4 the difference should be quite noticeable between gg4 and vision. Keep us posted. :)

I haven't used vision for a couple of weeks, so I only had pure water in the tank. I was just interested to see what GG4 was like in comparison. I can't see myself using either long term as I don't really see any real benefit from them. I will try again in the spring/summer when snail trails/bee poo ect are baked on the windows more. As it is everything comes off the glass fine at them moment as everywhere is damp so everything comes off easily.

The summer will be a good test. I would definitely recommend using the full bottle of vision though and then make your mind up after. We are getting a lot of emails and messages that people are finding the most benefit on the second cleans as It gets better with time.

My dad said tonight he is flying with it. Due to the extra glide he is finding Leaded windows a real pleasure to clean same as me. I am DELIBERATELY not telling my dad about any plus points i am finding about Vision. So far i would say everything i have found to be a positive, so has he.

Will be ordering very very very soon 3 bottles is free postage is it not?

So, what else has dad said he's finding good about vision? Is it sheeting for him? Certainly not for me. In fact I've been doing 2nd cleans with it and noticed some weird findings on arrival. Good job it's winter and custy doesn't look out the window much this time of year.

The main points are water saving and easier cleaning. He uses a trolley system even though he has a lovely crash test system. We are replacing his van with a smaller system and hopefully he switch over to van mount for his last few years on the glass.

however. He likes the fact he can do more work before refilling.

Bungle

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Re: I'm forever blowing bubbles.
« Reply #95 on: January 22, 2015, 10:38:45 pm »
I stuck some GG4 in my tank today and as far is I can tell it seems to do exactly what vision does. Brush glides better, bubbles on the windows when cleaning (although the bubbles with GG4 disappear quicker than vision which is much better when rinsing) and the glass is left with extra shine. Wether it aids cleaning is debatable, not really going to be able to tell until the summer.


Lee have you tried vision? A side by side comparison should show you why vision is better (in our opinion) than just something off the shelf like gg4. Would be interested to hear your thoughts.



Yes I have both.

What you may have is a mix of vision (what was left in your tank) and gg4. After a few weeks of just using gg4 the difference should be quite noticeable between gg4 and vision. Keep us posted. :)

I haven't used vision for a couple of weeks, so I only had pure water in the tank. I was just interested to see what GG4 was like in comparison. I can't see myself using either long term as I don't really see any real benefit from them. I will try again in the spring/summer when snail trails/bee poo ect are baked on the windows more. As it is everything comes off the glass fine at them moment as everywhere is damp so everything comes off easily.

The summer will be a good test. I would definitely recommend using the full bottle of vision though and then make your mind up after. We are getting a lot of emails and messages that people are finding the most benefit on the second cleans as It gets better with time.

My dad said tonight he is flying with it. Due to the extra glide he is finding Leaded windows a real pleasure to clean same as me. I am DELIBERATELY not telling my dad about any plus points i am finding about Vision. So far i would say everything i have found to be a positive, so has he.

Will be ordering very very very soon 3 bottles is free postage is it not?

So, what else has dad said he's finding good about vision? Is it sheeting for him? Certainly not for me. In fact I've been doing 2nd cleans with it and noticed some weird findings on arrival. Good job it's winter and custy doesn't look out the window much this time of year.

The main points are water saving and easier cleaning. He uses a trolley system even though he has a lovely crash test system. We are replacing his van with a smaller system and hopefully he switch over to van mount for his last few years on the glass.

however. He likes the fact he can do more work before refilling.
How is he using less water? Are people rinsing less although phobic glass is not sheeting? I'm not getting it.
We look at them, they look through them.

Jonny 87

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Re: I'm forever blowing bubbles.
« Reply #96 on: January 22, 2015, 11:11:43 pm »
I stuck some GG4 in my tank today and as far is I can tell it seems to do exactly what vision does. Brush glides better, bubbles on the windows when cleaning (although the bubbles with GG4 disappear quicker than vision which is much better when rinsing) and the glass is left with extra shine. Wether it aids cleaning is debatable, not really going to be able to tell until the summer.


Lee have you tried vision? A side by side comparison should show you why vision is better (in our opinion) than just something off the shelf like gg4. Would be interested to hear your thoughts.



Yes I have both.

What you may have is a mix of vision (what was left in your tank) and gg4. After a few weeks of just using gg4 the difference should be quite noticeable between gg4 and vision. Keep us posted. :)

I haven't used vision for a couple of weeks, so I only had pure water in the tank. I was just interested to see what GG4 was like in comparison. I can't see myself using either long term as I don't really see any real benefit from them. I will try again in the spring/summer when snail trails/bee poo ect are baked on the windows more. As it is everything comes off the glass fine at them moment as everywhere is damp so everything comes off easily.

The summer will be a good test. I would definitely recommend using the full bottle of vision though and then make your mind up after. We are getting a lot of emails and messages that people are finding the most benefit on the second cleans as It gets better with time.

My dad said tonight he is flying with it. Due to the extra glide he is finding Leaded windows a real pleasure to clean same as me. I am DELIBERATELY not telling my dad about any plus points i am finding about Vision. So far i would say everything i have found to be a positive, so has he.

Will be ordering very very very soon 3 bottles is free postage is it not?

So, what else has dad said he's finding good about vision? Is it sheeting for him? Certainly not for me. In fact I've been doing 2nd cleans with it and noticed some weird findings on arrival. Good job it's winter and custy doesn't look out the window much this time of year.

Bungle not all glass will sheet. On most it helps, (majority of mine now show hydrophillic properties) but this is one of the lesser benefits. The main benefits are better cleaning power and leaving a good shine. This does become more apparent after about 6 months of use though.

Although some are saying the bubbles are slowing them done, we've found rinsing to be quicker with vision. 


We didn't advertise vision as being a cure for hydrophobic windows so please don't expect that.

There is a way to make hydrophobic glass hydrophillic by using an additive though. This is something were working on, but won't be available for a while. There's lots more to come from us.  :)

Vision Technician / Visual Engineer /  Vision Enhancement Operative /...........................................................OnlyUseMeWFP AkA Jonny the Windy Wesher

Clever Forum Name

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Re: I'm forever blowing bubbles.
« Reply #97 on: January 22, 2015, 11:15:38 pm »
He is using less water as he is cutting through dirt quicker.

If you can be bothered to check back on my posts. I ALSO said I am using less water.

Next week we have a large block of offices todo.

Every visit results in someone having to refill. So we will see if it saves us water.

Bungle

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Re: I'm forever blowing bubbles.
« Reply #98 on: January 23, 2015, 04:37:45 pm »
I stuck some GG4 in my tank today and as far is I can tell it seems to do exactly what vision does. Brush glides better, bubbles on the windows when cleaning (although the bubbles with GG4 disappear quicker than vision which is much better when rinsing) and the glass is left with extra shine. Wether it aids cleaning is debatable, not really going to be able to tell until the summer.


Lee have you tried vision? A side by side comparison should show you why vision is better (in our opinion) than just something off the shelf like gg4. Would be interested to hear your thoughts.



Yes I have both.

What you may have is a mix of vision (what was left in your tank) and gg4. After a few weeks of just using gg4 the difference should be quite noticeable between gg4 and vision. Keep us posted. :)

I haven't used vision for a couple of weeks, so I only had pure water in the tank. I was just interested to see what GG4 was like in comparison. I can't see myself using either long term as I don't really see any real benefit from them. I will try again in the spring/summer when snail trails/bee poo ect are baked on the windows more. As it is everything comes off the glass fine at them moment as everywhere is damp so everything comes off easily.

The summer will be a good test. I would definitely recommend using the full bottle of vision though and then make your mind up after. We are getting a lot of emails and messages that people are finding the most benefit on the second cleans as It gets better with time.

My dad said tonight he is flying with it. Due to the extra glide he is finding Leaded windows a real pleasure to clean same as me. I am DELIBERATELY not telling my dad about any plus points i am finding about Vision. So far i would say everything i have found to be a positive, so has he.

Will be ordering very very very soon 3 bottles is free postage is it not?

So, what else has dad said he's finding good about vision? Is it sheeting for him? Certainly not for me. In fact I've been doing 2nd cleans with it and noticed some weird findings on arrival. Good job it's winter and custy doesn't look out the window much this time of year.

Bungle not all glass will sheet. On most it helps, (majority of mine now show hydrophillic properties) but this is one of the lesser benefits. The main benefits are better cleaning power and leaving a good shine. This does become more apparent after about 6 months of use though.

Although some are saying the bubbles are slowing them done, we've found rinsing to be quicker with vision. 


We didn't advertise vision as being a cure for hydrophobic windows so please don't expect that.

There is a way to make hydrophobic glass hydrophillic by using an additive though. This is something were working on, but won't be available for a while. There's lots more to come from us.  :)



How does the glass become more noticeably shinier after 6 months? Does it not work straight away?
We look at them, they look through them.

Dave Willis

Re: I'm forever blowing bubbles.
« Reply #99 on: January 23, 2015, 04:46:37 pm »
Dosage up to 2ml per 100l today.
Double bubble, no spotting, nice shiny windows - even managed to clean a few windows trad with the same mix (slightly squeeky).