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Dan The Lad

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Decent system??
« on: January 16, 2015, 06:20:07 pm »
Right looking at starting up asap, looking at a system that pures on-site. Min 350L tank.

Seen this on ebay - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SALE-500L-FRAMED-BUDGET-DI-PURE-WATER-SYSTEM-Kit-2-user-window-cleaning-/350926583458?pt=UK_HomeGarden_CLV_Cleaning_CA&hash=item51b4dab6a2

Anyone had experience with this system? Or recommend? I'm on a budget of 4k that includes van/water system.

Any help much appreciated.

Dan

Smudger

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Re: Decent system??
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2015, 06:23:14 pm »
Are you in a hard water area, this will have a bearing on what you need to buy

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

Dan The Lad

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Re: Decent system??
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2015, 06:24:09 pm »
Soft water

Jakey boy

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Re: Decent system??
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2015, 06:24:41 pm »
Do it yourself mate, it's fairly easy, and you'll save a lot of money, but if you've cash to burn, go for it, check other options though, such as pure freedom

Dan The Lad

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Re: Decent system??
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2015, 06:25:38 pm »
Do it yourself mate, it's fairly easy, and you'll save a lot of money, but if you've cash to burn, go for it, check other options though, such as pure freedom

Ive had a look at pure freedom, on the expensive side but you do get a decent package.

Jakey boy

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Re: Decent system??
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2015, 06:26:40 pm »
Being in a soft water area, it'd be easy to set up your own system mate, a tank, some hose, a pump and controller, di vessel, hose reel and your prety mcch there

Dan The Lad

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Re: Decent system??
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2015, 06:28:09 pm »
Being in a soft water area, it'd be easy to set up your own system mate, a tank, some hose, a pump and controller, di vessel, hose reel and your prety mcch there

You make it sound so easy lol. I mean, frame, connecting it all, etc etc.

Jakey boy

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Re: Decent system??
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2015, 06:30:03 pm »
I did it as a total newbie to wfp, and believe me I'm no expert! But it really is quite easy mate, it looks hard, but actually it's all very basic stuff, you can always strap down the tabk with ratchet straps, if you don't want to frame it in. If it's only a small ish tabk that would be fine... What van have you got?

Matt.

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Re: Decent system??
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2015, 06:33:52 pm »
IMO

I was a none believer in wfp until not to long ago, my friend told me to buy

A merlin
A 350 tank
A battery
A pump
A controller
A 11 ltr Di bottle
A hose reel
A 100m hose - I bought thermobore
A bit of reinforced hose
A few hose connectors an bits an bobs
A pole
A bit of wire
A bag of sand
That's it mate all done, I think I spent about 450-500 to get set up, I just add as I go along.
I would say try and get a framed tank to bolt down them straps are not the best. I bought a 500L tank with frame off eBay just before Xmas for 150, I just need to swap them over now.

Merlin was most expensive thing I bought at 175

Everything on eBay and there's some nice ones on there ready to go at decent prices

Jakey boy

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Re: Decent system??
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2015, 06:36:56 pm »
There you go ^

There's no need to frame the tank straight away though, if it's only a 350 litre flat tank, straps will be fine, you can always get a proper fitter to put a frame round it at a later date - I'm just thinking to get you started you can do all the basics your self for cheap

You won't need a RO if your water is really soft or low tds, di vessel will be fine

Jakey boy

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Re: Decent system??
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2015, 06:39:30 pm »
http://youtu.be/R84xXDdobYE    - did that myself to give you an idea

Matt.

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Re: Decent system??
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2015, 06:40:42 pm »
Like jakey boy says and wot I done it's just to get started I have a strap that I used for my 350 tank I won't use it again. You can have it for free am in Liverpool or cover p&p

It has a metal handle to crimp tight which helps a little bashed an rusty but hey ho it does the job

Dan The Lad

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Re: Decent system??
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2015, 06:48:43 pm »
http://youtu.be/R84xXDdobYE    - did that myself to give you an idea

Nice mate, am i right in saying that system i linked does not pure in the tank??

Jakey boy

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Re: Decent system??
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2015, 06:57:31 pm »
The system you have looked at on eBay uses normal tap water then the DI vessel (black vessel in the picture) is what purifys the water. Where I live we have to use a Reverse osmosis system before the tap water goes into the tank, to make it less hard for the di vessel to cope.

If your water is soft and the tds is low, that di vessel may be all you need, so you can just put normal tap water into the tank and the di vessel will purify it Completly.

Water is measured in tds, (total dissolved solids) where I live it's very high, over 400 parts per million. So we all have to use a reverse osmosis system to bring that number down beifre it goes through the di vessel. Some people live in an area where the tds is really low e.g 70 ppm, which means they don't need the RO, they just run nkrmal water through the di.

Hope that helps!

Pete Thompson

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Re: Decent system??
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2015, 09:51:54 am »
If you want my pennysworth, it's this;

Yes it is possible to put your own system together from bits and bobs off ebay, but in my opinion it is a false economy.

I know people who have done that and they go on and on about how much money they've saved. But then they also spend a lot of their "working" time faffing about fixing problems. My opinion is that working time is like gold dust, you only have so much every week, you have to spend it cleaning windows not messing about with your equipment because it is unreliable.

And then of course there is the time you initially spend searching, buying, putting together, snagging etc your home made system in the first place.

I honestly don't know how those DIY lads can be bothered. Such a carry on.

I got my system from pure2o, which is ionics budget range. Can't remember exactly how much I paid but I think it was about £2,700 for a 400 litre hard water system plus a bit extra to have the van floor protected with speed liner (highly recommend that by the way).

They installed my system in the van, and it worked perfectly. It went on working perfectly ever since. Never had a single hour of downtime due to something not working. In my opinion, the sheer lack of faff is well worth the extra money, and crucially my precious work time has never been interfered with.

So anyway, my advice is forget messing about trying to build it yourself, just bite the bullet and get a properly made system installed. Life's just too short.

Jakey boy

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Re: Decent system??
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2015, 09:57:55 am »
If you want my pennysworth, it's this;

Yes it is possible to put your own system together from bits and bobs off ebay, but in my opinion it is a false economy.

I know people who have done that and they go on and on about how much money they've saved. But then they also spend a lot of their "working" time faffing about fixing problems. My opinion is that working time is like gold dust, you only have so much every week, you have to spend it cleaning windows not messing about with your equipment because it is unreliable.

And then of course there is the time you initially spend searching, buying, putting together, snagging etc your home made system in the first place.

I honestly don't know how those DIY lads can be bothered. Such a carry on.

I got my system from pure2o, which is ionics budget range. Can't remember exactly how much I paid but I think it was about £2,700 for a 400 litre hard water system plus a bit extra to have the van floor protected with speed liner (highly recommend that by the way).

They installed my system in the van, and it worked perfectly. It went on working perfectly ever since. Never had a single hour of downtime due to something not working. In my opinion, the sheer lack of faff is well worth the extra money, and crucially my precious work time has never been interfered with.

So anyway, my advice is forget messing about trying to build it yourself, just bite the bullet and get a properly made system installed. Life's just too short.

Problems? You don't get problems with a diy system mate, it's all very simple, nothing really to go wrong, maybe a small leak here and there,

The reason many can be bothered to do it themselves is becuase A - it's cheap, £700 for my whole setup
B - you know exactly where everything is and how it works
C - you have total satisfaction and knowledge of all the equipment

It's a no brainer, £2700 vs just £700

You won't get any more problems than anyone with a system put it by 'experts'
As for time, it really only takes a couple of days to fit a system, so that's a weekend, hardly taking up working time is it?

I looked at pure h2o systems before fitting my own, I just couldn't justify the money for what you get, it's cheap stuff mate, it looks nice in its wrapping and stickers etc, but it's all basic basic stuff, strip it back, it's worth less than half what you paid,

For two days work, much better to do it yourslef, you've then got all the choice of what equipment to use, total control over it all,

Best of all, the Mrs and I went to New York with the money we saved on a system, now that was worth it!




duncan h

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Re: Decent system??
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2015, 10:33:53 am »
Its so easy. Strap a tank in, put pump on a board. Connect pipes. wire controller once you find some where to mount it. You don't have to put DI in van. Fill from garden hose, into top of tank

Jakey boy

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Re: Decent system??
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2015, 10:43:25 am »
Its so easy. Strap a tank in, put pump on a board. Connect pipes. wire controller once you find some where to mount it. You don't have to put DI in van. Fill from garden hose, into top of tank

Exactly,

Although try to make it look a tad neater than Duncan's  :o

Clever Forum Name

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Re: Decent system??
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2015, 11:13:03 am »
I personally think a DIY system could be made better than a professional system.

The key points for me are;

A custom plastic tank.

John Guest fittings.

Gardiner metal hose lock fittings.

A DIY system usually fails on the tank/frame and leaks.

Also if you go the DIY route FFS don't use chocolate blocks lol

Walter Mitty

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Re: Decent system??
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2015, 11:14:34 am »
My main reservation about DIY would be about what happens to the tank in a crash.  Apart from the tank fitting, I could do the rest safely by DIY - though I would need to do a quick bit of research if I wanted to fit a split charge relay.