[Dave Willis]

Water - gone frew the froff!

[Dave Willis]

The paper clip trick:

In picture 1 the paper clip is floating on pure water by surface tension alone.
In picture 2 I added ONE DROP of GG4 to the water and instantly the paper clip sunk - the surface tension was broken.I think GG4 will be added to my tank in future!

The water droplets on glass should lose a lot of surface tension and spread resulting in less beading and probably need less water. At such small quantities the tds remains zero too.

[kempy]

A mix we came up with was really good and then in the summer on a hot day we all had terrible results . It's very hard to find the right balance , dosages and quantities .

[Dave Willis]

  I think it will work fine in very small doses. It's not exactly a mix and if it didn't work I'd email Titan Labs to find out why it didn't.
I'm guessing you mixed it with something else.



http://www.titanlabs.net/can-i-add-dish-soap-to-glass-gleam-4-can-i-increase-the-dilution-ratio.htm

[wfp master]

interesting very interesting.

[Smudger]

Good stuff dave

Nice to see you doing some detective work and tests.

Really useful info

*****

Darran

[Dave Willis]

Sent an email off to Titan labs with a few questions. Might be interesting to see what they come back with - if they reply.

[hasti]

Good stuff dave

Nice to see you doing some detective work and tests.

Really useful info

*****

Darran

 

[Dave Willis]

Part of a reply I had from Titan Labs:

Yes, GG-4 changes the properties of water.  You’re definitely on the right track, but be careful of the magic potions, you don’t want one that contains surfactants such as those used in dish soap.  They will  leave a filmy haze and dirt re-deposition is brought on very quickly.  GG-4 breaks the surface tension of water, pure or otherwise.  How we do that is a trade secret.  It stays wet on hot or windy days and leaves the pane sparkling clean.  And thanks to the sheeting rinse, you’ll never find spotting a problem.

 

The fact that you’re using pure water means that most of GG-4’s work has already been done, allowing it to be used in a much smaller dosage ratio.  The normal ratio of 500:1 can be lowered to 1000:1 or lower, depending on preference. 

 

Some product information is attached.  Let me know if you have any more questions.

 

Regards,

 

-Alan

[Smudger]

Interesting,


Any more info to share ?

Darran

[rosskesava]

hi ross what benefit do you think you gain from adding gg3 to your pure water?

It may be a bit different around here to other areas due to sea salt. I just find that adding GG3 (or is it GG4 - the lighter coloured one) seems to cut through it better. Frames also seem to clean up easier especially on first cleans.

Lately I've been trying Ecover washing up liquid which I think does a better job.

I only ever add a very very small amount and definitely not enough to wash dishes with. I tried various amount and even with bubbles at the brush head, the windows still came up clean. It just with bubbles, rinsing, as per the Vision argument, it all takes longer.

I've tried all types of stuff like Virosol, Citraclean, Rinse aid, etc but Ecover seems to be about the best so far.

[Tony dunmall]

Hi rosskesava

Question I've thought gg4 into my tank how much have you guys added to yours, I've got a 500 litre tank

I use on con roof and like result

[Dave Willis]

GG3 is the orange stuff for soft water whilst GG4 is the blue stuff for hard water. However, Titan recommend the blue GG4 for wfp for some reason - something to do with the polymeric way it cleans. I didn't get much joy when I pressed what 'Polymeric' actually meant. Sounds like it's something to do with molecular make up - bit over my head really. There's something about negative ions in their blurb too.
" it works is by creating a negative ion, non-magnetic surface on the pane"

[rosskesava]

Thanks Dave.

Very interesting stuff and having read the above again, I think I'll go back to GG4.

Annoying, I've got GG3 which I found works better with pure water than GG4 for trad stuff.

Hi rosskesava

Question I've thought gg4 into my tank how much have you guys added to yours, I've got a 500 litre tank

I use on con roof and like result

I use one of those measuring things that Titan sell for about 50p or something stupid.

500ltr's, what I use roughly equates to about 4 teaspoons.

[dazmond]

it must be a nightmare at times ross cleaning windows on the coast.wind and sea salt!are you cleaning weekly or fortnightly?

[rosskesava]

it must be a nightmare at times ross cleaning windows on the coast.wind and sea salt!are you cleaning weekly or fortnightly?

About half of my work is right near the coast. This weeks work is all along the cliff tops and there is absolutely no point in doing them. 

[Dave Willis]

What if it's an offshore wind?

[Dave Willis]

I have found it cuts through snail trails really fast - it's bound too, they always come off quickly this time of year.
Also it removes spiders droppings really instantly - bound too for the same reasons above - everything comes off quicker in the winter.
Removes bird poo in seconds - as above really, bird poo has been well soaked by the rain for the last month.

Better shine? Maybe.
Better sheeting? I think so
Better cleaning? slightly.

[ChumBucket]

Record day?

[Dave Willis]

Every day is a record day now. Monday I knocked 100% off my normal time with GG4 in the tank.