[Dave Willis]

http://www.titanlabs.net/what-is-the-best-ratio-mix-for-glass-gleam-3-in-millilitres-when-using-a-water-fed-pole-system-i-dont-want-to-leave-any-spotting-behind.htm

News to me.

Got a big bottle of GG4 in the garage too 

[slap bash]

Good observation.

[Avo]

Is this another one of your jokes Dave 😃

[Dave Willis]

No, just 'spotted' it. That's a lot of GG4 for a 650l tank if my maths is correct - over a litre? Must be joking.  

 "GG-4 in solution is 98.7% water, and the way it works is by creating a negative ion, non-magnetic surface on the pane.  This does two things: first, it instantly breaks the bonds that hold particulates to the pane, and second, it prevents moisture from clinging to the pane. This leaves your customer with windows that shine like diamonds in the sun"

[bobplum]

i think it would work quite well, probably best with gg3 as the water would be classed as soft?? ....gg4 is more for hard water........but probably would work anyway

[Avo]

Who's gonna be brave and try it out then lol

[Dave Willis]

Well according to their website it works fine but there's no way I'd be chucking a litre of the stuff in my tank at the price of GG4 but it's interesting the theory behind the way it works and the effect on calcium deposits. Might be worth a small squirt in the tank to see what happens  

10ml anyone?

[dazmond]

after my little experiment with vision im just sticking to pure water from now on dave!!

keeping it simple.

pure water works just fine.i cant remember when i last had a complaint!

[SeanK]

after my little experiment with vision im just sticking to pure water from now on dave!!

keeping it simple.

pure water works just fine.i cant remember when i last had a complaint!

Dazmond I owe both you and Kempy an apology, on reading your first review I honestly did believe you where involved
with this product or with these guys in some way.
For that guys I apologize.

[kempy]

Nice one SeanK .
The 3 persons behind Vision have created a product and have produced it to share with others and help them work better .  We believe in Vision and think it's very good . As with all products such as aqua-adaptors and gardiners Poles they've all had upgrades and new models .
The hundreds of persons who have bought Vision have all given us some great feedback and also some negative feedback .
We can easily address the issues and can tweak the Ingrediences  so that it gives the shine and glide , but we can reduce the bubbles .

[kempy]

SeanK ,
Myself  , Kevin and Jonny are the 3 persons involved with Vision .
We have never got a friend to post a positive review on our behalf .
I only know persons on CIU because of CIU .
As simple as that .
I only know a handful of Wfp guys anyhow .
Probably the same as most Wfp guys do .

[rosskesava]

I've been adding GG3 to the water for years.

The water they add to the solution is DI water anyway.

Even a few drops of Ecover per 25ltrs helps and doesn't cause spotting.

[Dave Willis]

I put a small squirt in last night of GG4 - see if anything happens today.
On their website they reckon you can clean with the stuff and hose the windows down with a sprinkler and still leave the glass clean. Won't be testing that theory. 

[dazmond]

I've been adding GG3 to the water for years.

The water they add to the solution is DI water anyway.

Even a few drops of Ecover per 25ltrs helps and doesn't cause spotting.

hi ross what benefit do you think you gain from adding gg3 to your pure water?

[SeanK]

after my little experiment with vision im just sticking to pure water from now on dave!!

keeping it simple.

pure water works just fine.i cant remember when i last had a complaint!

Dazmond print this and stick it to you van door, words of wisdom.

[Dave Willis]

Well I've worked with it all morning - amazing!
What's amazing is how little GG4 is required to alter the properties of a whole 650l tank of pure. Most noticeable thing is the bubbles - this surprised me because GG4 normally doesn't foam up particularly well for trad cleaning.
The Placebo effect is very strong too. Because I know the additive is there I feel the cleaning power has increased and the windows shine even more.
Water cascades down the glass as normal but looks/i] slower but this is due to watching the bubbles I feel. No extra glide from what I could tell.
TDS increased from zero to 0001 by adding a squirt.

Results seem remarkably similar to the other threads.
If you have some GG4 try it - see what you think.

[Jonny 87]

Well I've worked with it all morning - amazing!
What's amazing is how little GG4 is required to alter the properties of a whole 650l tank of pure. Most noticeable thing is the bubbles - this surprised me because GG4 normally doesn't foam up particularly well for trad cleaning.
The Placebo effect is very strong too. Because I know the additive is there I feel the cleaning power has increased and the windows shine even more.
Water cascades down the glass as normal but looks/i] slower but this is due to watching the bubbles I feel. No extra glide from what I could tell.
TDS increased from zero to 0001 by adding a squirt.

Results seem remarkably similar to the other threads.
If you have some GG4 try it - see what you think.

Your in a good position now to do a side by side test of vision versus gg4. I think you will be surprised at the difference.

Gg4 in pure water is far better than just pure water on it's own so I'm not surprised you seem to be liking it. Whatever you do......don't tell Seank you are noticing advantages of adding something to pure. He may well self destruct. 

[Dave Willis]

Undecided whether it is actually is better or not. The bubbles don't look particularly foamy - more like when you fit a brand new hose reel. Maybe the water has lost some surface tension or become softer I don't know. Something definitely has changed though.

Might try the old floating paper clip trick when I get time.

[Dave Willis]

Interesting ........
Just toppeed my tank up with 300l and a dash. Except I put the dash in first and the transfer pipe foamed the water.

Look at the Froff on that! ...... still 000 tds  

[wightsurf]

Is the meter in the water or the froff