[dazmond]

It must be some stuff. Dosed at 100000:1 and its cutting through the dirt? I keep waiting for someone to shout 'April fool' but it's not April 

i do think it cuts through dirt easier than just pure.on snail trails its really noticable.

its the shine thats really great though.i do think the frames and sills on white UPVC look dull after a while using pure but with vision treated water it adds a really nice shine.

for the price of it(i estimate itll cost me around 40p a day)its worth it IMO for the extra shine alone.

[kempy]

Hi Bungle , I've been using it for 12 months now , and it makes my routine cleaning a lot easier . I do think some of my windows are sheeting more .

SeanK , it's no wind up this , we have a website obviously .
It's a shame you can't just get on with the fact that Vision has had a lot of very good reviews . Not sure why you still want to think we're fake , or we're fooling persons .

Let's just get on with working , making things easier and enjoying life .

[jk999]

Think hes had a bad upbringing thats y he is so negative against everyone , probably was one off the last few to actually believe in wfp , I had a mate that used to slag wfp off to all customers untill he fell off a roof n broke his hip n guess what hes using now yes wfp

[kempy]

A forum is for discussion so nobody can really complain .
I've benefited from a lot of good advice from forums , I never knew about Gardiners until I went on a forum .

[HampshireWindowCleaning]

The main benefit from this product seems to be the shine on the windows.
To be honest why the heck would I care if the windows shine more, in 8 years of using wfp I don't  recall a single customer complaining that the windows weren't shiny enough.

[SeanK]

It must be some stuff. Dosed at 100000:1 and its cutting through the dirt? I keep waiting for someone to shout 'April fool' but it's not April 

i do think it cuts through dirt easier than just pure.on snail trails its really noticable.

its the shine thats really great though.i do think the frames and sills on white UPVC look dull after a while using pure but with vision treated water it adds a really nice shine.

for the price of it(i estimate itll cost me around 40p a day)its worth it IMO for the extra shine alone.

Dazmond what causes window frames to dull over time, its not cleaning with pure water its the effect of the sun on the UPVC.
To keep it short what actually happens is the surface goes from being smooth to getting little burrs or hairs at a
microscopic level.
To keep it simple the only way to bring the shine back onto the frames is to cover them in a glossy compound or polish the
burrs off.
So this product either covers the frame in a glossy compound or melts the burrs on the UPVC which I don't think would be
good for the frames over time, but to be honest I don't think it does either.
Its the same with car paintwork so there's no way it could have made your van shinier.
So you can understand why people who know a little bit about how thing work would think its an April fool.

[SeanK]

Think hes had a bad upbringing thats y he is so negative against everyone , probably was one off the last few to actually believe in wfp , I had a mate that used to slag wfp off to all customers untill he fell off a roof n broke his hip n guess what hes using now yes wfp

Mate I know you think your actually helping the Vision guys but trust me your not, infect I would say your doing them more harm than I am.

[jk999]

Explain  why I'm doing them more harm than good because  the way I see it you and all your mates are the ones doing them harm as your all slating  a product  you haven't  even tried

[Bill.upnw]

90% of the people that have used vizion are free samplers....

they give people free samples for the good reviews...because lets face it everyone loves something for free right?

for the people that are adding this to there tanks and making therselves believe it works.... idiots.


think ill just stick to my pure water

[chris turner]

So you've tried vision then bill?
Same to you seank?
What's the point on giving your input on a post that you know absolutely nothing about because your to stubborn or tight fisted to even give it to try.
Why not just try it for yourselves and if you don't like it you can slate it all you want.
Personally... Iv been using it for a few weeks and whilst I havnt really noticed any difference on the shine of the glass, I would definitely say it makes the frames look much cleaner and does make it easier removing things like snail trails and insect turds. I will continue using it and I thank those guys at vision for creating a product that's made cleaning a little easier for a very cost effective price.

[SeanK]

So you've tried vision then bill?
Same to you seank?
What's the point on giving your input on a post that you know absolutely nothing about because your to stubborn or tight fisted to even give it to try.
Why not just try it for yourselves and if you don't like it you can slate it all you want.
Personally... Iv been using it for a few weeks and whilst I havnt really noticed any difference on the shine of the glass, I would definitely say it makes the frames look much cleaner and does make it easier removing things like snail trails and insect turds. I will continue using it and I thank those guys at vision for creating a product that's made cleaning a little easier for a very cost effective price.

Chris if the guys where selling Vision on Amazon there's no way I would leave bad feedback on the feedback section without
trying it and the same goes for their website.
But this is a forum and if somebody makes a claim about a product which I disagree with then I can and should be allowed to
reply.
Dazmond made a claim that it make the frames shine more and I have replied and give reasons why I believe he's wrong if you find
that my reasoning is wrong then point that out, but stop using this same old excuse that you cant have an opinion on a product
until you have tried it.

[jk999]

What makes you an expert on this product then just because someone  re branded a product n made magica go, doesn't mean everyone s the same

[SeanK]

What makes you an expert on this product then just because someone  re branded a product n made magica go, doesn't mean everyone s the same

I'm not an expert on Vision but I have done work on badly degraded UPVC frames over the years and have used lots of different
methods and products but that not the point.
What do you find untrue or wrong in my reply to Dazmond.

[Jonny 87]

90% of the people that have used vizion are free samplers....

they give people free samples for the good reviews...because lets face it everyone loves something for free right?

for the people that are adding this to there tanks and making therselves believe it works.... idiots.


think ill just stick to my pure water

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I Just want to point out that your statement is not true/a lie.

In the past 12 months we have only sent out a couple of free samples, and those few people are enjoying vision but don't use this forum as far as I am aware.

[Dave Willis]

A forum is for discussion so nobody can really complain .
I've benefited from a lot of good advice from forums , I never knew about Gardiners until I went on a forum .

That's very strange Kempy - I'm sure it was you recently who did their best to bugger up Gardiners by telling everyone about your cheap Chinese poles you were buying, Was it you that hated Gardiners clamps too and posted several times how crap they were and how wonderful your Tekbuk brush was.

Don't suppose your waiting for a sparkling review from Alex by any chance?

[duncan h]

90% of the people that have used vizion are free samplers....

they give people free samples for the good reviews...because lets face it everyone loves something for free right?

for the people that are adding this to there tanks and making therselves believe it works.... idiots.


think ill just stick to my pure water

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I Just want to point out that your statement is not true/a lie.

In the past 12 months we have only sent out a couple of free samples, and those few people are enjoying vision but don't use this forum as far as I am aware.

That's what I was going to say. Don't know anyone on here that got a free sample. If they did. I want my £18 back lmao.
All this slagging off is doing my head in. Use it or don't. I cant find any bad things about it other than slow flow and bubbles. I add less and all is ok. Should last me a year unless it evaporates anymore   only used 3 pumps and down to 3/4 full. Makes conservatory smell nice lol

[SeanK]

Both pure h20 and Jk999 have admitted to being product testers are you saying they paid for this
privilege ?

[Jonny 87]

Both pure h20 and Jk999 have admitted to being product testers are you saying they paid for this
privilege ?

 

Pure h20 has not been sent anything as of yet. He paid for his bottle of vision, and if jk999 is who I think he is then he works in the same area as kempy, they got talking and he was given a few millilitres of mix to dose up 1 tank. Since then he has bought 3 bottles atleast.

Hardly free samples Sean.

In all honestly I think your more involved with this project than any of us are. The amount of time you devote to vision is amazing considering it's apparently all a April fool.

As I keep saying though everyone is entitled to their opinions, vision is there for all those who like using it, and if you don't, then we have made it as cheap as we can so that you feel like you have wasted money.

[SeanK]

Both pure h20 and Jk999 have admitted to being product testers are you saying they paid for this
privilege ?

 

Pure h20 has not been sent anything as of yet. He paid for his bottle of vision, and if jk999 is who I think he is then he works in the same area as kempy, they got talking and he was given a few millilitres of mix to dose up 1 tank. Since then he has bought 3 bottles atleast.

Hardly free samples Sean.

In all honestly I think your more involved with this project than any of us are. The amount of time you devout to vision is amazing considering it's apparently all a April fool.

As I keep saying though everyone is entitled to their opinions, vision is there for all those who like using it, and if you don't, then we have made it as cheap as we can so that you feel like you have wasted money.

The April fool wasn't my remark, I just agreed why some would think it.
The product testers came from guys explaining why they had been using Vision before it was on sale, PureH20 was one of these
guys as was Jk999.

[Jonny 87]

Both pure h20 and Jk999 have admitted to being product testers are you saying they paid for this
privilege ?

 

Pure h20 has not been sent anything as of yet. He paid for his bottle of vision, and if jk999 is who I think he is then he works in the same area as kempy, they got talking and he was given a few millilitres of mix to dose up 1 tank. Since then he has bought 3 bottles atleast.

Hardly free samples Sean.

In all honestly I think your more involved with this project than any of us are. The amount of time you devout to vision is amazing considering it's apparently all a April fool.

As I keep saying though everyone is entitled to their opinions, vision is there for all those who like using it, and if you don't, then we have made it as cheap as we can so that you feel like you have wasted money.

The April fool wasn't my remark, I just agreed why some would think it.
The product testers came from guys explaining why they had been using Vision before it was on sale, PureH20 was one of these
guys as was Jk999.

I think your wrong, but ok.

Pure h20 bought his bottle of vision a week or so after the release date, so there is no way he was using vision any earlier. Jk999 (if he is who I think he is) did use vision earlier than most, but it wasn't by much. A month tops, and he still paid for his. No freebies were given.