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mufcglen

  • Posts: 1507
Re: Ex ceed poles
« Reply #100 on: December 13, 2014, 05:26:07 pm »
Steven feel free to include me in those 10 guys who want to trial it out and review the pole for you,if its better than the slx poles i will have one off you in the future when they wear out or may even replace them!

DaveG

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Re: Ex ceed poles
« Reply #101 on: December 13, 2014, 05:32:36 pm »
Hi Steven, am I right in thinking that when you disconnect the hose from the pole, it empties out  the hose reel?
You can't polish a turd

Arnold Palmer

  • Posts: 20745
Re: Ex ceed poles
« Reply #102 on: December 13, 2014, 05:35:58 pm »
Hi Steven, am I right in thinking that when you disconnect the hose from the pole, it empties out  the hose reel?

Good question.
They're eeeting the dogs.
They're eeeting the cats.
They're eeeting the pets,
of the people who live there.

Lee GLS

  • Posts: 3844
Re: Ex ceed poles
« Reply #103 on: December 13, 2014, 05:43:54 pm »
The end of the hose has a rectus fitting so it stops the water flow when you disconnect it from the pole

ChumBucket

Re: Ex ceed poles
« Reply #104 on: December 13, 2014, 06:03:49 pm »
To be honest it's not for me but...... I admire them for innovation, we need this to facilitate progress with the development of our equipment. I wouldn't sell DIY kits either if I was them- for the same reasons given. ;)

Arnold Palmer

  • Posts: 20745
Re: Ex ceed poles
« Reply #105 on: December 13, 2014, 06:05:18 pm »
The end of the hose has a rectus fitting so it stops the water flow when you disconnect it from the pole

So the pole has a male end?
They're eeeting the dogs.
They're eeeting the cats.
They're eeeting the pets,
of the people who live there.

Lee GLS

  • Posts: 3844
Re: Ex ceed poles
« Reply #106 on: December 13, 2014, 06:09:53 pm »
Yes. It's exac the same as a normal setup apart from it connects inside the pole.

Smudger

  • Posts: 13437
Re: Ex ceed poles
« Reply #107 on: December 13, 2014, 06:20:23 pm »
The male end will empty out unless your using an aquadaptor the other end

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

Trev Jones

  • Posts: 92
Re: Ex ceed poles
« Reply #108 on: December 13, 2014, 07:09:28 pm »
Hi Steven, am I right in thinking that when you disconnect the hose from the pole, it empties out  the hose reel?

I think the female fitting is on the reel side and the male fitting is on the pole end so your reel would not empty.

Smudger

  • Posts: 13437
Re: Ex ceed poles
« Reply #109 on: December 13, 2014, 07:24:34 pm »
The male is in the pole, they has no water stop, only the females have a stop, the 'ejector' cover pulls back on the outer collar to initiate separation.

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

Re: Ex ceed poles
« Reply #110 on: December 13, 2014, 08:23:08 pm »
Hi guys,
the short piece of hose in the pole empties in seconds.

then the pole is dry to put back in your van.

Lee.

  • Posts: 232
Re: Ex ceed poles
« Reply #111 on: December 13, 2014, 08:34:21 pm »
I'm looking for a New pole and this is defo what I'm going for next! If I doesn't cut the mustard then I won't by another it's simple. Wouldn't mind trying one first though!

hasti

  • Posts: 498
Re: Ex ceed poles
« Reply #112 on: December 13, 2014, 08:47:36 pm »
It looks a great kit, its just time will tell how great this kit will be, let hope it works good for all our benefit.
Well done steve. good work.  :)

sunshine windows

  • Posts: 2361
Re: Ex ceed poles
« Reply #113 on: December 13, 2014, 09:18:49 pm »
So does this mean that the hose real does not empty? Or are you using female connections with no positive stop?

If the hose doesn't empty that would be a heavy lift into the van each time.

I'm very interested in trialling this for you Steven, however I've never used aquadapter (pole taps only) so it would be a completely new way of working for me.
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Susan Dean (1stclean)

  • Posts: 2064
Re: Ex ceed poles
« Reply #114 on: December 13, 2014, 09:53:02 pm »
Ah, I thought the water somehow magically went through the pole without any hose (I'm a thickie-Geordie), but what actually happens is that the REEL hose attaches to a short piece of hose in the No 1 section, and then when you lengthen the pole, the REEL hose goes up the pole.

Doh!  :-[

you can do the same with an slx if using an aquadapter on our pole tails are only just pokeing out from the bottom when the poles closed so just clip the reel hose on and off you go so you can still do the same job as this new pole we have been doing this for years

robert mitchell

  • Posts: 1994
Re: Ex ceed poles
« Reply #115 on: December 13, 2014, 10:36:22 pm »
Its tubeless in the sense as there's no hose attached to the pole.
as regards the example of the aqua factor pole is no comparison.
and most companies know this.
aqua factors pole was designed from a car brush.
can you imagine the weight of a 30ft pole filled with water.
I have had a lot of snotty remarks from 4 leading companies so far, but this is to expected when you design a new pole.
so far I have had 10 emails from this forum from members to trial my pole, soon I will decide who to send a pole to for review.

did you get my email?
www.ishinewindowcleaning.co.uk

The man who never made a mistake never made anything.

oldman

  • Posts: 487
Re: Ex ceed poles
« Reply #116 on: December 14, 2014, 06:23:55 am »
What's so hard to understand how the Ex-ceed system works.......

Or would this same system be easier to understand and be accepted if it had 'Gardiner' sticker on it.

duncan h

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Re: Ex ceed poles
« Reply #117 on: December 14, 2014, 11:37:49 am »
I cant understand why you all are struggling to understand it. Its a Rectus fitting, the same as most on here use.
Exactly the same as I use, but its got a sleeve over it for quick connection/disconnection. This allows the male connector to sit inside the pole. So when you would normally disconnect the thin hose from your reel. Now you wont have it all over the van, or rapped on your pole. Now you can wind it onto the reel.
Less water will be lost as you only have a short thin hose disconnected.
I will be giving it a go after holiday

Re: Ex ceed poles
« Reply #118 on: December 14, 2014, 12:36:28 pm »
We have got a suggestion to make.
Will clarify after dinner today.

Steven.

Spruce

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Re: Ex ceed poles
« Reply #119 on: December 14, 2014, 01:55:33 pm »
I cant understand why you all are struggling to understand it. Its a Rectus fitting, the same as most on here use.
Exactly the same as I use, but its got a sleeve over it for quick connection/disconnection. This allows the male connector to sit inside the pole. So when you would normally disconnect the thin hose from your reel. Now you wont have it all over the van, or rapped on your pole. Now you can wind it onto the reel.
Less water will be lost as you only have a short thin hose disconnected.
I will be giving it a go after holiday

We are all different and our minds work differently. I'm mechanically minded and can usually quickly see how these things work. But if you ask me to design something then I'm no good at that.

For example; Once you see an Aquadapter, it is a fairly simple design, yet extremely clever. But I would never have been able to design that. I think it takes a special ability to be able to look at an end result and find a simple solution to achieve that.

I often thought of the kitchen taps we have at home. Half a turn switches them on and off. Why couldn't I have thought of "replacing my hand with a pole - ie the Aquatap. Some people are automatically able to see things on a different plane.

But what can also seem a positive attribute may also be a negative attribute to themselves as well. Once some designers have successfully designed a product to a manufactured conclusion, they have to keep going on designing something else to keep the 'fire burning'.

I think Steven is one of these people who needs to have his mind occupied with new challenges. I have said on this forum many times that it is my belief that the Aquadapter one of the best things to have been given to us window cleaners. Not all agree, but for me with my bad back, it has been a life saver.
When Paul was at Aquadapter he once asked what we as window cleaners had problems with. A whole lot of us made comments, but mine was that we needed something better than a Protecta ball as they didn't protect the male or female rectus connectors. Several years later Steven comes out with a really good, simple protector that works perfectly. Now I have no idea whether that suggestion had anything to do with the end product, that's not the point, but the main thing from this is a brilliant fitting protector which I'm benefiting from.

I don't know what lengths Steven went to in redesigning the clamps on his pole to ensure that they didn't 'tramp' on the Gardiner Patent. Only time will tell if they are successful and received well in the industry. He knows that as well as anyone.

With regard to his pole fittings, why should he sell them as an accessory? The wfp world is full of diyers, me included, so why shouldn't he protect his design for his exclusive use as much as possible?
This is much more complicated the having a male tail connector sticking out of the bottom of a pole. He has found a way of fitting the female connector into the base of the pole passed the base cap. Now the pole operator won't snag the female connector on the base protector/cap as the pole is being extended. Snagging the female stop can easily cause the coupler to uncouple.

As per Mark Munro's description - its very clever - brilliant. We need to give credit where credit is due!
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)