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Dave Willis

Bleach?
« on: December 10, 2014, 07:14:05 am »
Customers gutters were absolutely gleaming. I asked who cleaned them - he did them himself with a spray on bleach. Not quite sure what he used but they were like new. Not something I carry in the van but a weak solution might be handy for those stubborn gutters perhaps?

I tried mildew remover yesterday on blood stains from spiders - worked well.

EandM

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Re: Bleach?
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2014, 08:12:50 am »
In my other life as a Painter & Decorator bleach was the answer to most cleaning problems. It's better at removing Algae from walls then anything I've yet tried and is the base of most proprietary Fungicides - just about a 10th of the price.

Spruce

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Re: Bleach?
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2014, 08:43:23 am »
We carry a bottle of bleach on the van, but it mainly gets used to sterilize the tank when we do a though clean of it.

There was a post of here a number of years ago by someone who uses/used it. One thing that has put me off is the application of how you get it onto the work surface at height. It is quite a dangerous chemical and you need eye protection, gloves and better to be suited up as chlorine will bleach the colour from your clothes where it drips onto.

The spray (overspray) from your application will drift with the potential to kill surrounding vegetation (customer's cherished plants :) ) and could also affect fish in an outside fish pond. That was enough to prevent me from taking the risk of using it neat.

Of course, bleach isn't a cleaner in itself. It makes the stains invisible to be seen, but according to those who specialise in this sort of thing, the stain is still there.

I once also heard it said that if you do bleach plastic you have to ensure that it get all the bleach off, as the sun's UV rays can react and turn it yellow. I was looking at using Cillit-Bang as I thought a cleaner with bleach was the best thing since sliced bread. I used it once on a gutter and fascia clean but I can't say I was impressed. That was about 9 years ago and we still clean that house today. The fascias and gutters haven't gone yellow as was predicted. That is burnt into my memory as I was worried about yellowing and kept a watch every time the house was cleaned for about 5 years after that.

One of our customers cleans his own window frames once a year with rubbing down compound (car body paintwork) and finishes it off with a car polish/wax and they always look good.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

andyM

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Re: Bleach?
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2014, 08:52:23 am »
We carry a bottle of bleach on the van, but it mainly gets used to sterilize the tank when we do a though clean of it.

There was a post of here a number of years ago by someone who uses/used it. One thing that has put me off is the application of how you get it onto the work surface at height. It is quite a dangerous chemical and you need eye protection, gloves and better to be suited up as chlorine will bleach the colour from your clothes where it drips onto.

The spray (overspray) from your application will drift with the potential to kill surrounding vegetation (customer's cherished plants :) ) and could also affect fish in an outside fish pond. That was enough to prevent me from taking the risk of using it neat.



I presume you could add neat washing up liquid to Bleach and apply it straight on to the brush.
The washing up liquid should thicken the mixture up and act as a carrier for the Bleach and allow a longer dwell period.
Or you could just use thick bleach in the first place I suppose?
I would also not use it near a fish pond or a lot of plant life though.
One of the Plebs

SeanK

Re: Bleach?
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2014, 09:12:24 am »
I use HG mould remover and it seems to lift everything, I apply it by using a microfiber wrapped around a sponge
which I clamp to a pole using a fixi clamp.
Lightly dampen the sponge with pure and than spray a small amount of the mould remover onto it as well.
Rub it along the guttering and let it work, by the time you have got to the end then your ready to rinse of with pure.
Yes safety glasses are a must but as your not spraying it then by the time it hits the ground its well diluted and doesn't
cause any problems other than a slight chlorine smell.


SeanK

Re: Bleach?
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2014, 09:17:09 am »
Yes as Andy has said don't use it near a fish pond as even a small amount of bleach will kill the fish

dazmond

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Re: Bleach?
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2014, 09:48:00 am »
id never use bleach on gutters/fascias.its horrible stuff.i hate the smell of it too as well as being potentially hazardous.


as im mainly a regular maintenance window cleaner with add on jobs here and there i just use these products

1.virosol

2.cif cream cleaner

3.gg3/squeegee off

4.ettore UPVC cleaner

thats it.

i find this covers me for most jobs that i end up cleaning.


price higher/work harder!

Nathanael Jones

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Re: Bleach?
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2014, 10:20:51 am »
I've used it by the bucketful on a few jobs with a soft-washing setup - basically a chemical injector (x-jet) nozzle that fits on a pressure washing lance & sucks up the chem, mixes it & sprays it up to 35' high,.. its brilliant for cleaning algae off walls, roofs, concrete etc and works a treat on gutters too.

That said - its nasty stuff and not at all suitable for every situation. I mostly used it on big houses out in the countryside with no neighbours & where overspray issues could be controlled. I always pre-wet all surrounding plans,grass,trees,garden furniture etc with water before spraying and rinsed it all off with water again afterwards, and NEVER let it dry on the glass!!

slap bash

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Re: Bleach?
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2014, 10:29:32 am »
The thing with bleach is its not as bad as one might think as being a gas it will evaporate by the time you get to the end of a gutter clean its only really dangerous when used is a confined area as it will restrict you breathing and you could pass out.I have some years back cleaned out a coffee machine and left some bleach and water approximately 50/50 stand for n hour my wife not knowing made coffee with the same mix. Six of us drank the coffee and not one felt any after effects.
If you feel you don`t trust bleach then dilute thick bleach with wash liquid and water.The biggest problem will have to rinse it off s you will have a lot of foam.The same goes for ammonia if mixed with bleach it very dangerous, on its own is its a very good cleaner  even more so its not used indoors. I mix a tablespoon of ammonia  with cream cleaner for cleaning white PVC frames and it works a treat. I await for the so called feared fulled group to attack this thread.

Nathanael Jones

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Re: Bleach?
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2014, 10:37:40 am »
The thing with bleach is its not as bad as one might think as being a gas it will evaporate by the time you get to the end of a gutter clean its only really dangerous when used is a confined area as it will restrict you breathing and you could pass out.I have some years back cleaned out a coffee machine and left some bleach and water approximately 50/50 stand for n hour my wife not knowing made coffee with the same mix. Six of us drank the coffee and not one felt any after effects.
If you feel you don`t trust bleach then dilute thick bleach with wash liquid and water.The biggest problem will have to rinse it off s you will have a lot of foam.The same goes for ammonia if mixed with bleach it very dangerous, on its own is its a very good cleaner  even more so its not used indoors. I mix a tablespoon of ammonia  with cream cleaner for cleaning white PVC frames and it works a treat. I await for the so called feared fulled group to attack this thread.

Household bleach is mixed with SLS as a thickening agent and this can be hard to rinse as its stick & it foams - - if you us Sodium Hypochlorite (The chemical name for bleach) from a pool supply company or from a farm shop (its used as a dairy disinfectant) then you get it a lot cheaper and without the SLS in it. ;)

slap bash

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Re: Bleach?
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2014, 11:07:59 am »
Is it in powder foam or liquid. Thanks for that Nath

Nathanael Jones

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Re: Bleach?
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2014, 12:04:24 pm »
liquid form - usually ranging in strength from 10% - 15% (household bleach is about 4% usually) so it goes a long way. ;)

dave f

Re: Bleach?
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2014, 01:19:51 pm »
i stumbled upon a father and son team cleaning upvc frames. being a nosey git i started fishing indirectley about what they used.i asked the son whilst the father was round the back and he sang like a canary. he showed me the stuff they used.it was a 50/50 mix of ever build upvc solvent and everbuild creame cleaner .it was in a squeege bottle. and aplied thith a sponge. i was trying to get some more info but his old man apeard and off they went.

Plankton

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Re: Bleach?
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2014, 02:16:09 pm »
The thing with bleach is its not as bad as one might think as being a gas it will evaporate by the time you get to the end of a gutter clean its only really dangerous when used is a confined area as it will restrict you breathing and you could pass out.I have some years back cleaned out a coffee machine and left some bleach and water approximately 50/50 stand for n hour my wife not knowing made coffee with the same mix. Six of us drank the coffee and not one felt any after effects.
If you feel you don`t trust bleach then dilute thick bleach with wash liquid and water.The biggest problem will have to rinse it off s you will have a lot of foam.The same goes for ammonia if mixed with bleach it very dangerous, on its own is its a very good cleaner  even more so its not used indoors. I mix a tablespoon of ammonia  with cream cleaner for cleaning white PVC frames and it works a treat. I await for the so called feared fulled group to attack this thread.
look for a local ISIS recruitment shop, I believe they'll have some

Household bleach is mixed with SLS as a thickening agent and this can be hard to rinse as its stick & it foams - - if you us Sodium Hypochlorite (The chemical name for bleach) from a pool supply company or from a farm shop (its used as a dairy disinfectant) then you get it a lot cheaper and without the SLS in it. ;)

SB Cleaning

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Re: Bleach?
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2014, 03:17:46 pm »
I've used bleach and fairy mixed together with water on loads of conny roofs brings them up lovely....beware of bleach around flowers and grass though..