[Simon Gerrard]

So what's the story with Micelles technology?

I feel as if I'm micelling out on something😃
Sorry, couldn't resit that one.

In English please.

Simon

[Len Gribble]

think it’s 1-4 nanometers mork and mindy Mork’s greeting Na-Nu Na-Nu

hope it helps.!!!!

yoda Len

[Simon Gerrard]

Well that's cleared that one up then.
Thanks, Len

Simon

[Mike Halliday]

The lack or response to this question highlights the problem with micelles technology..... Nobody really know how it works

 we all have little stories that try and explain it but that's all.

And the problem is if we don't even understand how it works how can we know how it will react either other chemicals? Some say the mist a colloidal scrub it then if it's really bad  give it a mist of MS.........but how does MS & colloids react together?

What about applying protector on top of colloids? will it interfere  with the fluorocarbons ? Who know??.?

[Gary Webber]

Hi All,

Colloidal Cleaning Products are something many people fail to grasp because of the way that they work. We started using the Oleonix range six months ago and the results were so good we have dropped other products and use them to clean a wide range of flooring/items. the description from the Oleonix Website reads:

"When dirt adheres to a surface, the surface tension created resists the efforts of standard cleaning agents to remove it. The chemistry behind the Oleonix range utilises micriolysis whereby the active agents penetrate through the surface tension and penetrate to the core of dirt to break the bonds holding the dirt to whatever the surface is. The released dirt is then easily removed by flushing, rinsing, suction, extraction or microfibre absorption-extraction leaving surfaces so clean they resist the build up of fresh dirt."

Hope this helps

Gary

[Paul Moss]

We've heard all this before.
You can't reinvent the wheel 

[Gary Webber]

To reinvent the wheel is to duplicate a basic method that has already previously been created or optimized by others.

 

[Kevin OBrien]

Just found this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6EdXlQuVQY

[Mike Halliday]

Hi All,

Colloidal Cleaning Products are something many people fail to grasp because of the way that they work. We started using the Oleonix range six months ago and the results were so good we have dropped other products and use them to clean a wide range of flooring/items. the description from the Oleonix Website reads:

"When dirt adheres to a surface, the surface tension created resists the efforts of standard cleaning agents to remove it. The chemistry behind the Oleonix range utilises micriolysis whereby the active agents penetrate through the surface tension and penetrate to the core of dirt to break the bonds holding the dirt to whatever the surface is. The released dirt is then easily removed by flushing, rinsing, suction, extraction or microfibre absorption-extraction leaving surfaces so clean they resist the build up of fresh dirt."

Hope this helps

Gary

So Gary you have no idea how it works either 

Oleonix give a perfect scenario of how colloids  work, but we don't live in a perfect world unlike normal detergents that use very basic chemical reactions that can be messed with but will still do their basic function micelles rely on a delicate set process which can easily be upset by Exterior influences,

Most of the worlds cleaning industry manufacturers use detergents because they work, not because they are behind the times and don't know about colloids they know about them but also know they are not reliable enough to use.

Colloids offer a niche product to suit companies looking to be different and who are willing to accept their limitations

[Gary Webber]

Mike,

I know perfectly well how they work. Probably a bit beyond you.

Left it to the best people to explain that, the people who make them. It is explained  in basic terms so people could understand the basic effects.

 

[Simon Gerrard]

Hi All,

Colloidal Cleaning Products are something many people fail to grasp because of the way that they work. We started using the Oleonix range six months ago and the results were so good we have dropped other products and use them to clean a wide range of flooring/items. the description from the Oleonix Website reads:

"When dirt adheres to a surface, the surface tension created resists the efforts of standard cleaning agents to remove it. The chemistry behind the Oleonix range utilises micriolysis whereby the active agents penetrate through the surface tension and penetrate to the core of dirt to break the bonds holding the dirt to whatever the surface is. The released dirt is then easily removed by flushing, rinsing, suction, extraction or microfibre absorption-extraction leaving surfaces so clean they resist the build up of fresh dirt."

Hope this helps

Gary

Sorry Gary, are you saying that these products get the carpet cleaner than conventional chemicals? And if so that could imply that users of conventional cc chemicals aren't actually getting carpets as clean as they look?

Simon

[Gary Webber]

Simon,

Everyone has their own opinion on what products they use and the success they achieve with them determines whether they continue to carry on using them. Nobody is suggesting that conventional carpet cleaning chemicals aren't getting the carpets as clean as they look, but colloids can produce a very  high standard of clean.

They are also not unreliable. There are a lot of colloidal products out there and they are mixed differently to produce results to deal with issues such as grease etc. This  bias then gives you products to deal with issues such as grease, just as conventional chemicals such as enzymes do.

The reasons that lots of chemical companies choose not to produce them are more down to issues such as costs, not reliability.

Gary

[Simon Gerrard]

So it's not a step forward quality wise, just a different approach, chemically speaking?

Simon

[Gary Webber]

Simon,

I would have a try merely to satisfy your curiosity. I know you have a great deal of experience in the industry and have used different equipment/chemicals.

WE found that the items we cleaned have stayed cleaner for longer (based upon carpet maintenance we carry out every three months) We also found it much easier to clean upholstery. The combination of microfibre and colloids work very well as the negative ions of the products work well with the positive charge from microfibre making it an ideal attraction.

Again it is a personal preference.

Gary

[john martin]

  I think the product is plant derived surfactant or detergent .
  The benifit being renewable sources , biodegradable etc .

  The whole colloid /micelles thing it seems may be just blurb to sell the product in that from what i read ( and i didnt research it much )   colloids and micelles relate to ' regular syntheic ' surfactant also . And any surfactant and cleaning process could be made sound complicated at a microstructure level .  

In a ' detergent ' mix  , ie a combination of several chemical products . Each combine to optomize cleaning in all situations .  If the water is hard a softener takes care of that , of the temp is low something compensates , if there is a certain type of dirt present , a specific or combined component targets that .

Plant surfactant alone cannot target all the various  scenarios like a detergent mix can IMO .

 

 

[Gary Webber]

Hi John,

These products require quite a bit of research.

The products we use are synthesized products. With a colloidal cleaner these really small particles ( “micelles”) wander around in the water that you have mixed it in with and eventually they collide with the dirt or grease you are trying to remove from whatever you are cleaning. When the micelles crash into the dirt, they chip a small piece of it off and push it into the water. This is occurring both rapidly and constantly and in a short space of time all the dirt is removed from the surface. Just as importantly, the micelles stop the pieces of dirt or grease in the water from rejoining so they cannot clump back on to the surface that has been cleaned. This is totally different to the way soap and detergents clean. They tend to stick to the dirt and grease like iron filings sticking to a magnet, then float around in the water carrying the globule with them.

Again there are different colloidal  products to deal with different issues, just as detergents do. They are unaffected by water hardness and  low  temperatures. Higher temperature speed up the process. Colloids require time to work so dwell is important.

An idea of the effectiveness of the products is that a facilities cleaning company is using one product to clean all the student accommodation in a university. The trials were so successful they are extending it to many more within the portfolio.

Again we are down to personal preferences, some people like microsplitters, etc...

Gary

[john martin]

 Gary  any surfactant can be in a colloidial suspension , Right ?
and they are capable of forming micelles  ...

like its says here ...
'The characteristics of surfactants cause the hydrophobic component to be drawn together to form micelles.� This allows the surfactants to form a coating around a suspended material.�'

http://wwwcourses.sens.buffalo.edu/ce457_527/ce457_pro/g11_doc.htm


What makes your surfactant , colloids and micelles different ,?  and do have a link that would explain the difference between the two ?

[COLIN BRIGHT]

WTF are you lot talking about?

[Simon Gerrard]

Colin,
We have no effing idea

[Tadgh O Shea]

Hi Guys, there is a saying from the great William Shakespeare that goes

Our doubts are traitors,
and make us lose the good we oft might win,
by fearing to attempt.

The reason i quote that saying is for me when i was first introduced to colloid chemistry 12 years ago i had my doubts and really did not take the technology to be anything different, luckily for me the guy sent me some products to try out, i have been in the cleaning industry for over 30 years and after 10 minutes of testing with this technology i was hooked and have been ever since, now i could write pages and pages of information about the features and benefits of working with colloidal micelles technology but i think if anyone wants to make an informed decision on the technology they should contact a supplier who promotes the technology purchase some product do their own testing and get educated about one of this centuries most promising advances in environmental science. there are plenty of janitorial suppliers in the UK who can help you to make an informed decision on these safe cleaning solutions.