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mark15

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Hot water & legionnaires disease
« on: December 07, 2014, 10:06:55 am »
If I put an immersion heater in my tank & heat the water up to say 40 degrees is there a risk of legionaires disease? The reason I ask is that if warm water is stored between 20 & 50 degrees there's a potential risk of this bacteria growing. Drinking it would be ok but the problem occurs when the water vaporises & is breathed in. It's ideal breeding temperature is about 37.5 degrees hence why it likes our bodies. Or... On the other hand... Because I put my water through the DI vessel & it kills what's in it before it goes in the tank, would it be ok?

Spruce

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Re: Hot water & legionnaires disease
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2014, 12:49:18 pm »
If I put an immersion heater in my tank & heat the water up to say 40 degrees is there a risk of legionaires disease? The reason I ask is that if warm water is stored between 20 & 50 degrees there's a potential risk of this bacteria growing. Drinking it would be ok but the problem occurs when the water vaporises & is breathed in. It's ideal breeding temperature is about 37.5 degrees hence why it likes our bodies. Or... On the other hand... Because I put my water through the DI vessel & it kills what's in it before it goes in the tank, would it be ok?

As far as I'm aware, the resin in your DI vessel doesn't kill off micro-organisms, it merely removes total dissolved solids in the water like magnesium and calcium. An ultra-violet light is what will do that.

If you read the PDF on the HSE's website under Legionnaires’ disease you will be scared off heating your water in your tank.
However, scanning through it, the importance is on ensuring that your tank is always clean and maintained regularly according to a recorded schedule would definitely be something you should seriously consider.

On the other hand I haven't heard of any Legionnaires disease outbreaks being caused by window cleaners. The most likely outbreaks come from cooling towers and sometimes they are unable to identify the source.

We don't have stagnate water in our tanks unless left for a long duration. The water in our tanks is regularly 'changed' and renewed/replenished. This will also help reduce the risk. Keeping our tanks clean will also remove the microscopic particles that Legionnaires spoor need to grow and multiply. We also don't have any dead ends or hardly used sections in our water systems in the van.

Last summer (2013) was pretty warm for us. I have a blue van and often found the water temperature in the tank was around the 30 degree mark without any form of heating.

In my opinion, were I to use this form of 'heating' I would keep the water below 25 degrees C. But I'm of the opinion that it is better to heat on demand than the whole tank of water. In our case we have a 650 liter tank. Mostly we use 1/2 of it, sometimes 3/4 of it and very occasionally all of it. The tank is always filled each day as we can't predict our water usage for each day. so for me heating 1/2 a tank of water we may not use is a waste of resources.

However, I also realise that others will see this differently. At the end of the day there will still be some warmth in the remaining water. When filling up the water in the tank would still be a little warmer than the water that was used to fill it.
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paulben

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Re: Hot water & legionnaires disease
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2014, 03:28:51 pm »
Keep every thing clean if water is between about 18 - 40 best to heat to 60 and keep at this temp for 5 mins . I stopped using rain water as was never sure how clean it was then was off work for 6 months with an illness that can be caursed by legionnaires .prob will fit uv light in system this year just to be sure
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mark15

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Re: Hot water & legionnaires disease
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2014, 04:11:37 pm »
Interesting thanks

ChumBucket

Re: Hot water & legionnaires disease
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2014, 04:23:06 pm »
I've been using an immersion heater for three or four years & up to this point haven't had a bout of legionnaires!! :)

slap bash

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Re: Hot water & legionnaires disease
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2014, 04:29:11 pm »
Fit one of these that will sterilize any water 

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mark15

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Re: Hot water & legionnaires disease
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2014, 04:41:58 pm »
I can't open that link mate  :)

DG Cleaning

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Re: Hot water & legionnaires disease
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2014, 08:59:19 pm »
I wouldn't worry too much about it the water is heated then pumped straight to away it's not like it's stagnating.
I'm more worried for those of you using gas with connections you've done yourself.
 

Sean Dyer

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Re: Hot water & legionnaires disease
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2014, 01:08:55 pm »
Has there ever been a case , it gets banded about a bit on here but is it even a consideration?

Tom White

Re: Hot water & legionnaires disease
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2014, 02:14:58 pm »
All you've got to do is have the correct warning signs when working in a public area:



It'll help stop people trying to talk to you when you're busy too.  Don't they know we're trying to get a job done?  >:(

Sean Dyer

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Re: Hot water & legionnaires disease
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2014, 04:30:18 pm »
i found something the FWC put out and basically the problem is if the water stagnates with slime and crap for ages at about 37 degrees, and if your ro is old and dirty , sounds unlikely , all you have to do is drain the tank if you leave it for any length of time in summer

Perfect Windows

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Re: Hot water & legionnaires disease
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2014, 04:33:23 pm »
Has there ever been a case , it gets banded about a bit on here but is it even a consideration?

The problem is that it's spread in small water droplets (aerosols to you).

They drift.  You've seen them sweep round the side of a building in the sun.  They can travel 600ft, be inhaled and (if they contain the bacteria) cause infection.  So it's pretty hard to tie a case to a specific cause.

Vin

Mist A Bit

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Re: Hot water & legionnaires disease
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2014, 07:49:51 pm »
Google Pontiac fever, its a mild form of legionnaires disease caught in the same way from the same bacteria