[Window Lickers]

Why not plenty of companies send out free samples to win customers, Gold has set you a simple challenge
so what have you got to lose if you have as much faith in it as you say you have.
Go on prove all us doubters wrong once and for all.

Ive not used this product so cant comment on it. But if a customer were to say the same to you the first thing you'd do would be whining and moaning on here about people taking liberties, how you flounced off down the path, told her to 'do one' bla bla bla, we'd never hear the end of it.

[Dave Willis]

Postman slow down your way Matt 
Most people get their bottle in about forty five minutes on here.

[Window Lickers]

I am still waiting  

Was hoping it'd be here Friday, should be here today hopefully. Im also expecting my 10LPM pump, new hoses and two new poles

[jk999]

It's Christmas  delivery  s are always slower this time of year . And if I want to speak up I will 

[SeanK]

Thought it was going to be a simple poll Would you buy Vision again and first line was" For those that have used it only" .
Now people want to slag off the product without using it .What part of" for those that have used it only" don't people understand ? .

Very good point, i have obviously voted yes. 24 people have voted no  I love coming on here for a laugh. It's great watching people explode and get all wound up over something so trivial. Funny how these £500 a day heroes haven't come on here to post about it. Thought they would be the first to try it. If it means they can earn even more. LOL just LOL. Maybe they are keeping it a secret though. I always wave at them tho. You cant miss em.

Because they're are not the guys its marketed for, its marketed for guys who are a bit unsure about how WFP works and maybe
don't trust the cleaning power, not for the guys who are already making a good living and don't need to fix something that
isn't broken.

[Clever Forum Name]

Thought it was going to be a simple poll Would you buy Vision again and first line was" For those that have used it only" .
Now people want to slag off the product without using it .What part of" for those that have used it only" don't people understand ? .

Very good point, i have obviously voted yes. 24 people have voted no  I love coming on here for a laugh. It's great watching people explode and get all wound up over something so trivial. Funny how these £500 a day heroes haven't come on here to post about it. Thought they would be the first to try it. If it means they can earn even more. LOL just LOL. Maybe they are keeping it a secret though. I always wave at them tho. You cant miss em.

Because they're are not the guys its marketed for, its marketed for guys who are a bit unsure about how WFP works and maybe
don't trust the cleaning power, not for the guys who are already making a good living and don't need to fix something that
isn't broken.

Very true. Why would you want to make even more money by saving time. Silly me. That's where I am going wrong.

[SeanK]

I wonder are these same people who say you cant criticise something if you haven't used it the same people
who criticised Ionics parts per billion system without having used it.
Personally I haven't read a single criticism about this product on both of the Vision posts, just people questioning
the claims that the guys selling the product have made and coming to a judgment going by their own experiences
in window cleaning just like others did with the Ionics system.
 

[Nathanael Jones]

the same people who criticised Ionics parts per billion system without having used it.

Now in all fairness - the ionics PPB system is 99.3% marketing bull poo, as has been mathematically proven many times on here before,..

[Plankton]

Thought it was going to be a simple poll Would you buy Vision again and first line was" For those that have used it only" .
Now people want to slag off the product without using it .What part of" for those that have used it only" don't people understand ? .

The Poll states "only for those that have used vision would you buy it again" and the Topic states "Would you buy vision again" 

[Clever Forum Name]

I wonder are these same people who say you cant criticise something if you haven't used it the same people
who criticised Ionics parts per billion system without having used it.
Personally I haven't read a single criticism about this product on both of the Vision posts, just people questioning
the claims that the guys selling the product have made and coming to a judgment going by their own experiences
in window cleaning just like others did with the Ionics system.
 

Incorrect. I have posted these in the main thread.

Water left behind is more slippery.

I am having to calibrate system several times during the day as it keeps DE.

I personally do not like the smell.

One user stated bubbles can make it hard to see dirt left when rinsing.

So that's four from just two users

[Window Lickers]

I am having to calibrate system several times during the day as it keeps DE.

That happens regardless this time of year. Its because the hoses shrink due to low temps creating additional resistance to water flow; probably bugger all to do with Vision.

Ours arrived today. Id say first off that having dosed it in the tank in the van that it wasnt an adequate amount. Having added it at 1ml/100 litres of pure and driving 5 miles before the first house I found that it created bubbles on the glass but I didnt feel that there was anything more on this occassion that it did, nothing particularly beneficial. We did a number of houses, some with phobic glass and some with phillic glass but I didnt notice anything particularly beneficial. I was giving it some thought though and as we rinse on full bore at about 3 litres a minute it would have to be running off the glass at a really high rate for it to improve this.

Im not sure if the bubbles on the glass is caused by a detergent/soap in the concentrate or are they just air bubbles. If this stuff works by breaking down the surface tension of water then they could quite easily be air bubbles and if so is that necessarily a good thing? I'll expand on that in a minute.

Anyway, i also tested the waters TDS after adding this stuff and it hadnt affected it at all.

I had told Darren, my equivalent of DTM, that something had been added to the water but not why and to see if he noticed a difference. Anyway, first thing he spotted were the bubbles on the glass, his comments were that it seemed to clean easier but he couldnt expand on that when I pushed him, probably not too concerned about it. At that stage I hadnt noticed anything regarding extra cleaning.


After lunch I added 1ml more, into what was about 200 litres of water left in the tank and there was a noticeable difference in the amount the brush slipped across the glass. Maybe we need a small amount more of the stuff to create a similiar effect, although I cant see how that is as R.O. - D.I. water is the same the country over.

Going back to one point I touched on; if the brush slips across the glass easier is that necessarily a good thing? Surely this could mean that the glass isnt cleaned adequately as there is insufficient cleaning done or you have to have more passes of the brush to create the same amount of friction and rub on the glass as you might otherwise.


Anyway, so far as Im concerned, the jury is still out.

I'll be using the rest of the bottle and hopefully by then will be able to make a more considered judgement. Im hoping to get some snail trails to deal with and see what happens with them, unfortunately didnt see any today.

Matt

[Clever Forum Name]

I am having to calibrate system several times during the day as it keeps DE.

That happens regardless this time of year. Its because the hoses shrink due to low temps causiing additional resistance to the water flow.

The day generally gets warmer. Not colder. Meaning the DE calibration lowers as the day goes forward. I am finding i have had to raise the DE throughout the day. Not lower. I started work at 8am and it was 4c according to my van. I left work at 8c

[kempy]

Hi Window Lickers , thanks for the review . Adding vision is flexible , in terms that we advise 1ml per 100 litres . But I personally tend to have more than that in my tank .

Thanks for trying it and hopefully you will grow to like it .
Cheers

[Window Lickers]

It strikes me as being very much similiar to Rinse Aid. The additive that is put into dishwashers which prevents water streaking on dishware and helps with drying.

[duncan h]

I am having to calibrate system several times during the day as it keeps DE.

That happens regardless this time of year. Its because the hoses shrink due to low temps creating additional resistance to water flow; probably bugger all to do with Vision.

Ours arrived today. Id say first off that having dosed it in the tank in the van that it wasnt an adequate amount. Having added it at 1ml/100 litres of pure and driving 5 miles before the first house I found that it created bubbles on the glass but I didnt feel that there was anything more on this occassion that it did, nothing particularly beneficial. We did a number of houses, some with phobic glass and some with phillic glass but I didnt notice anything particularly beneficial. I was giving it some thought though and as we rinse on full bore at about 3 litres a minute it would have to be running off the glass at a really high rate for it to improve this.

Im not sure if the bubbles on the glass is caused by a detergent/soap in the concentrate or are they just air bubbles. If this stuff works by breaking down the surface tension of water then they could quite easily be air bubbles and if so is that necessarily a good thing? I'll expand on that in a minute.

Anyway, i also tested the waters TDS after adding this stuff and it hadnt affected it at all.

I had told Darren, my equivalent of DTM, that something had been added to the water but not why and to see if he noticed a difference. Anyway, first thing he spotted were the bubbles on the glass, his comments were that it seemed to clean easier but he couldnt expand on that when I pushed him, probably not too concerned about it. At that stage I hadnt noticed anything regarding extra cleaning.


After lunch I added 1ml more, into what was about 200 litres of water left in the tank and there was a noticeable difference in the amount the brush slipped across the glass. Maybe we need a small amount more of the stuff to create a similiar effect, although I cant see how that is as R.O. - D.I. water is the same the country over.

Going back to one point I touched on; if the brush slips across the glass easier is that necessarily a good thing? Surely this could mean that the glass isnt cleaned adequately as there is insufficient cleaning done or you have to have more passes of the brush to create the same amount of friction and rub on the glass as you might otherwise.


Anyway, so far as Im concerned, the jury is still out.

I'll be using the rest of the bottle and hopefully by then will be able to make a more considered judgement. Im hoping to get some snail trails to deal with and see what happens with them, unfortunately didnt see any today.

Matt

At last a comment worth reading

[kempy]

I don't even use Rinse aid in my dishwasher , it's that bad ... Lol

[Window Lickers]

I don't even use Rinse aid in my dishwasher , it's that bad ... Lol

Maybe but if you read about Rinse Aid it does exactly the same kind of thing as Vision just in a machine.  

[jarvy]

Will be trying this in the morning.
Just to be sure it is 1 ml per 100 l?
Is this what ratio people are using or just taking a guess?

[Window Lickers]

Put it in at 100ml per 100 litres of pure and report back 

[Lee GLS]

I had told Darren, my equivalent of DTM, that something had been added to the water but not why and to see if he noticed a difference. Anyway, first thing he spotted were the bubbles on the glass, his comments were that it seemed to clean easier but he couldnt expand on that when I pushed him, probably not too concerned about it. At that stage I hadnt noticed anything regarding extra cleaning.


Going back to one point I touched on; if the brush slips across the glass easier is that necessarily a good thing? Surely this could mean that the glass isnt cleaned adequately as there is insufficient cleaning done or you have to have more passes of the brush to create the same amount of friction and rub on the glass as you might otherwise.


Anyway, so far as Im concerned, the jury is still out.

I'll be using the rest of the bottle and hopefully by then will be able to make a more considered judgement. Im hoping to get some snail trails to deal with and see what happens with them, unfortunately didnt see any today.

Matt

These are the 2 points I agree completely with. I didn't tell my brother that I had added it to the tank to see if he commented on a difference without realising rather than looking for improvements. Anyway after a few houses he hadn't said anything so I asked if he noticed anything different, and he said he hant really, just saw some bubbles on the windows.

After I told hime he then though the brush glided easier, but as for cleaning ability and improved rinsing neither of us particularly think there is much difference.

I personally feel that it may have a placebo effect on people, but then again I could be wrong.

I will carry on using it to see if see any reel benefit, but I was thinking exactly the same as Matt regarding extra slip reducing the scrubbing ability of the brush.