[Caleb Morley]

I know a few on here have employed apprentices through the government scheme.

Can you give me your experience of the process?

Positives and negatives that kinda thing?

Cheers,

Caleb

[wfp master]

   

[Caleb Morley]

   

Thanks for that, that's really helpful

[wfp master]

sorry dont know any time served window cleaners.

[Caleb Morley]

sorry dont know any time served window cleaners.

I don't even know what you mean......go on enlighten me.

[C o z y]

He means there's no apprenticeship for window cleaning mate.

[Ian101]

its a way to pay £2.73 an hour legally ... if you can find a young lad who wants to do it

https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates

[Caleb Morley]

its a way to pay £2.73 an hour legally ... if you can find a young lad who wants to do it

https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates

Exactly, but the main benefit as I see it is that you can train someone up exactly as you like it. I wouldn't pay anyone that little though.

[Ian101]

its a way to pay £2.73 an hour legally ... if you can find a young lad who wants to do it

https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates

Exactly, but the main benefit as I see it is that you can train someone up exactly as you like it. I wouldn't pay anyone that little though.

Ive got 2 mates who have done this .... one lad not on here and runs 3 / 4 vans with up to 3 lads in a van some of which he has on apprentice wages works very well for him .. and Bob Plumb who it didn't work for as the lad he took on wanted to be a rocket scientist (not kidding you)   and was upset cos Bob took too long talking to customers and left him to do the work and didn't help when Bob wasn't sympathetic to his IBS 

[Bob Stones]

A apprentice window cleaner  go on


Yes boss, I served my timer under "Joe Davis window cleaning "

Great stuff lad, how long did it take you, 3 days or did you do the full week ?


Idiotic 

[Spruce]

A apprentice window cleaner   go on


Yes boss, I served my timer under "Joe Davis window cleaning "

Great stuff lad, how long did it take you, 3 days or did you do the full week ?


Idiotic  

Its a way of encouraging industry to take on young staff to help with job creation. It doesn't matter what work these apprentices do but it appears that part of the training is a business management training college course.

It all sounds good on paper. In practice it seems to be different though. Most youngsters have no work ethic. Its their right not to work.

The system will benefit youngsters that can see the long term and how this will help them gain experience so they can run their own business. Bob Plum's apprentice will only be looking at the small picture - he is talking whilst I'm working - that's not fair - sulk sulk.

At one time it was general practice that most industries had apprentices. At the end of 5 years they got their trade certificate but weren't allowed to be employed by the company that they qualified with (oversees anyway.)
Very few industries have apprenticeships now so this is what the government is trying to reintroduce.  

[Mr B shine]

the only reason i can see for any cleaner to employ an "apprentice" is for cheap labour to bolster their own take.

[SeanK]

Its not an apprenticeship but I think you can get a weekly grant for talking on a new employee
from the job centre,
I think it used to be about £80 a week for six months paid to the employee, not sure.
Go and have a word with somebody there are they will keep you right.
Handy if your a first time employer and don't have enough work yet for a full wage.

I don't mean that you shouldn't top up the £80 just to be clear.

[supernova77]

A apprentice window cleaner  Grin Grin Grin go on


Yes boss, I served my timer under "Joe Davis window cleaning "

Great stuff lad, how long did it take you, 3 days or did you do the full week ?


Idiotic  Roll Eyes

What a stupid reply.

There is more to window cleaning than just cleaning windows if you want to make a real success of it i.e. employing people, taking on larger contracts etc..

So why wouldn't someone want to learn how to do it if their long term view was to run their own business?

Take a look >> http://www.apprenticeships.org.uk/types-of-apprenticeships/retail-and-commercial-enterprise/cleaning-and-environmental-services.aspx

[Caleb Morley]

A apprentice window cleaner  go on


Yes boss, I served my timer under "Joe Davis window cleaning "

Great stuff lad, how long did it take you, 3 days or did you do the full week ?


Idiotic 

You're totally missing the point. Google apprentice and go to the .gov website, then you might get it.

Btw it's nothing to do with Alan a Sugar either

[g.brookes]

i strongly considered this about 18 months ago, and had lots of stupid arguments thrown at me.  In the end, the only reason i dint do it is because you have to employ them full time straight away and didn't have enough work to do it.  I will definitely do it in the future when i have 2 or 3 staff.

[DG Cleaning]

Why don't the government come clean and admit it's just a scheme to help young people into work?
Saying you can be an apprentice window cleaner is stupid and insults people who've had to do a real apprenticeship.

[Busby]

Typical of this forum, where someone asks a question, only to be taken as a muppet.

Just wonder the negative comments that come from members, how many staff do you actually employ, and employ correctly ?

I read all comments and wonder why, people still post "NORMAL" questions knowing stupid replies will be given.

[Spruce]

Why don't the government come clean and admit it's just a scheme to help young people into work?
Saying you can be an apprentice window cleaner is stupid and insults people who've had to do a real apprenticeship.

There aren't many 'real' apprenticeships around these days.

A plumber used to learn his trade from a master over a 5 year period and get this trade papers after he passed his exams and a practical.
Now days the training is 6 weeks and he is fully qualified.

I spoke to one who was fitting some radiators in a customer's house.

Does he know how to solder copper pipe together? No need as he will use plastic with push in joiners.
Does he know how to join his plastic pipe to a lead pipe? No, there aren't any lead pipes anymore.
How did you get started in business after qualification of 6 weeks? With a government grant - actually he said the government gave him the money.
How did you manage to buy a new Vivaro van? I got a loan.
How did you get a loan when you have nothing to use as collateral. The government helped me.
How did they do that? They told the bank to give me the money.

He then got annoyed with all the questions.

[Spruce]

the only reason i can see for any cleaner to employ an "apprentice" is for cheap labour to bolster their own take.

.....and that's fine. In order for that to happen the employer must train the employee. The employee will gain experience and then the employee has to start paying a fair wage for a fair day's work.

If he doesn't then the employee will get disgruntled and look elsewhere. He may even start his own business. Water always finds its own level.

Years ago we had a YTS working for us. She was the lowest paid, but she was one of our best employees. Once she got her qualifications she went on to get a well paying job. She deserved all the success she generated for herself.