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JSMC

  • Posts: 3511
who all uses ratchet straps?
« on: November 30, 2014, 04:59:09 pm »
anyone willing to admit to it on here? my current set up is bolted but new van i may just try straps

Smudger

  • Posts: 13439
Re: who all uses ratchet straps?
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2014, 05:03:27 pm »
I see no problem with straps if the tank is against a bulkhead, this is how I did it in my old combo. All current vans are bolted in as the tank now sits further back so I can load things like gutter vacs or pressure washers

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

Dave Willis

Re: who all uses ratchet straps?
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2014, 06:11:32 pm »
I used to with a layflat tank. Trouble was when carrying Daughter/Wife in the front it always crossed my mind that maybe I hadn't chosen the safest method of securing such a large weight. Felt rather guilty about it so had the next one bolted in. I wouldn't strap an upright myself - up to you really.

johnny bravo

  • Posts: 2699
Re: who all uses ratchet straps?
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2014, 06:26:49 pm »
ive strapped a 350 upright,  but only around 200 litres being put in,     only water in when working,   id empty if driving about for pleasure , or for days out.

if i notice any activity with the tank id seek advice to get bolted ans strapped in.

how much do garages charge to drill holes to bolt into van

Arnold Palmer

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Re: who all uses ratchet straps?
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2014, 06:31:48 pm »
Ratchet straps aren't really a problem. It's where you tie them to that's the real question.
#aliens

Sean Dyer

  • Posts: 2947
Re: who all uses ratchet straps?
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2014, 06:33:41 pm »
ive had my 500 litre upright tank ratcheted to the van fixing points in my last van (vivaro) and current van - transporter

Its a 10 tonne strap i think , i reckon i need to get a new one now as its been in there a few years but ive never had a problem

Its always been tight to the bulkhead and has never moved

slap bash

  • Posts: 1366
Re: who all uses ratchet straps?
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2014, 06:36:56 pm »
I have 2x 8 ton ratche straps on a 350 liter tank .

tlwcs

  • Posts: 2088
Re: who all uses ratchet straps?
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2014, 06:54:00 pm »
I have 9 bungee/luggage straps all linked together holding my 500 ltr upright tank.
I used to worry each time I opened the van door that if one failed it would have my eye out. I then pinched each one up with plyers so they can't come undone, sorted. :-)

PoleKing

  • Posts: 8974
Re: who all uses ratchet straps?
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2014, 06:55:04 pm »
Ive always had my tanks bolted in but took it out a month or so ago to fibreglass.
Its not strapped in.
2 reasons.
1, I can use the van better without a tank in for other things.
2, It's not classed as a modified vehicle (though typing this, I'm not sure about the fibreglass) so the insurance should be cheaper.
I feel fine with it.
www.LanesWindowCleaning.com

It's just the internet. Try not to worry.

Smudger

  • Posts: 13439
Re: who all uses ratchet straps?
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2014, 07:21:13 pm »
Ive always had my tanks bolted in but took it out a month or so ago to fibreglass.
Its not strapped in.
2 reasons.
1, I can use the van better without a tank in for other things.
2, It's not classed as a modified vehicle (though typing this, I'm not sure about the fibreglass) so the insurance should be cheaper.
I feel fine with it.

Odd isn't it, my insurance is cheaper with them bolted in  ???
They also ask if it's ply lined, to which I see no relevance to the vehicle..

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

Arnold Palmer

  • Posts: 20800
Re: who all uses ratchet straps?
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2014, 08:06:54 pm »
Nae this again.  ::)roll


Not a modification.
#aliens

PoleKing

  • Posts: 8974
Re: who all uses ratchet straps?
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2014, 08:16:40 pm »
Nae this again.  ::)roll


Not a modification.

I made the jump after your posts bud.
www.LanesWindowCleaning.com

It's just the internet. Try not to worry.

gary999

  • Posts: 8156
Re: who all uses ratchet straps?
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2014, 08:23:50 pm »
Ratchet straps themselves are not a problem they have normally
been batch proof tested to destruction which with webbing is normally
a ratio of 6:1 of the Minimum breaking load or the safe working load
if bought from a reputable company you will have a certificate of conformity
or a test certificate that would confirm this.

Obviously higher the tonnage of the swl or mbl the better.

Any potential problem with a ratchet strapping system is normally either
the metal fittings which are not made from a high tensile steel are more
likely to fail earlier than the strapping under shock load when proof tested
to destruction they generally only have a proof rating of 2:1

The other potential problem failure is what the strapping system is
attached to and how secure it is.

I left this industry in 2007 and im probably a little out of date,i can
only imagine safety standards within the industry have only got
tighter.

If you do buy ratchet straps, buy them from a reputable company
that provide a certificate of conformity or even better a test certificate
that proves they are fit for purpose.

johnny bravo

  • Posts: 2699
Re: who all uses ratchet straps?
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2014, 10:06:43 pm »
what would a garage charge to fix a tank in,        do these companys who fix the full wfp   gear into a van    offer this service alone.

Window Lickers

  • Posts: 2196
Re: who all uses ratchet straps?
« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2014, 10:18:11 pm »
I have 2x 8 ton ratche straps on a 350 liter tank .

What are the hooks rated at the the straps are on?
Liberace's ex looking to meet well built men for cottaging meets.

Window Lickers

  • Posts: 2196
Re: who all uses ratchet straps?
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2014, 10:20:02 pm »



How ironic.
Liberace's ex looking to meet well built men for cottaging meets.

gary999

  • Posts: 8156
Re: who all uses ratchet straps?
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2014, 10:35:49 pm »
I have 2x 8 ton ratche straps on a 350 liter tank .

What are the hooks rated at the the straps are on?

If he has bought them from a proper source the claw hooks or
delta links should be 8 tonne aswell

dazmond

  • Posts: 23988
Re: who all uses ratchet straps?
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2014, 07:12:06 am »
i bought a brand new 500L upright tank and frame from window cleaning warehouse for £400 then got my local garage to fit it with spreader plates for £100 so £500 all in(well £510 as i gave them an extra tenner as they had to take the fuel tank off and exhaust to screw the frame in securely. ;D ;D)

in my last van i had a 350 layflat strapped down tight with just one 5 ton ratchet strap through eyebolts in the floor.never had a problem.
price higher/work harder!

Mike #1

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Re: who all uses ratchet straps?
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2014, 11:03:55 am »
I have 9 bungee/luggage straps all linked together holding my 500 ltr upright tank.
I used to worry each time I opened the van door that if one failed it would have my eye out. I then pinched each one up with plyers so they can't come undone, sorted. :-)



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JSMC

  • Posts: 3511
Re: who all uses ratchet straps?
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2014, 11:24:23 am »
i probs stick with 400ltr upright tank in cage and strap it in up tight against bulkhead. also thought about a barrel system in van using 60ltr drums or 100ltr drums.