[mufcglen]

My diy system is bang on but if it makes things quicker I'd love to try it however I fill my tank with two water before twin di tanks and would like to hear more how it works with my type of setup as opposed to guys who have tanks of pure!

[Plankton]

that's good to hear only manufacturing probs . look forward to trying will there be a safety sheet in due course be availiable just would like to know what I am  breathing in due to previous health probs

there should be one  if they are selling it.  you cannot be selling chems without one at all. For  end user n  seller.

Think I would want to know what's in it before ordering.

[hasti]

No need for dragons den - lol .
We've produced it , marketed it and sorting on-going issues as we speak .
It's gone well .
However were window cleaners ourselves , family men with kids and no need to post on forums too much and annoy persons or be hard sellers .
The product will talk for itself once you've used it .
It's very very good . But I'm obviously affiliated to it . So don't take my word for it .
Give it a go .
Several testers have enjoyed it .

It's upto you guys , you all know your stuff And hopefully this Vision product will help you .

Hi Kempy
You are not related to Bosh are you ? 

Sorry mate old joke 

[AuRavelling79]

So ... 4ml in a 400L tank?

One of the endorsements on the website says it rinses better but also says the flow has been turned up? Placebo indeed?

My offer ... send me a bottle FOC. I will put it in Dan the Man's tank in the ratio specified without him knowing. I will let you know the results after a month. If it works as described I'll pay double the price for the bottle. Deal? 

[paulben]

I reckon we give it a go . If its as good as claimed then he has a reqular sales from us on here however if its cr*p then word will get around and that's the end of there business what do we lose £18and that's tax allowable so total loss to us is less than what kempy will lose

[jk999]

Don't think everyone s gonna  think it's crap just maybe  the odd one . My opinion  is everyone  shouldn't listen to others they should  try it out for them self's  because  not everyone s the same. It's like some people  don't like certain  films but others enjoy  them ,some people  like certain  foods n others don't that's y you shouldn't  listen to  other people s opinion s

[Window Lickers]

Don't think everyone s gonna  think it's crap just maybe  the odd one . My opinion  is everyone  shouldn't listen to others they should  try it out for them self's  because  not everyone s the same. It's like some people  don't like certain  films but others enjoy  them ,some people  like certain  foods n others don't that's y you shouldn't  listen to  other people s opinion s

Tee hee  





A film is subjective. This product is not. It either imprvoes the cleaning experience or it doesnt. Theres no two ways about it.

Which is why you should listen to other peoples opinion.


I wait with baited breathe to hear the opinions on others who've bought it. There've been so many 'wonder' chemicals marketed on here it's like watching paint dry.

Wonder what the active ingredient is in it - isopropynol by any chance?

[Arnold Palmer]

Is there a COSHH data sheet for it?

[SeanK]

Could anybody tell me what has happened to this wonder cleaning product that's called pure, one minute
its the best thing since sliced bread the next its useless unless its either heated or has added chemicals.
Cant believe how many come on here pretending to be window cleaners just to flog some rubbish to gullible fools
with money burning a hole in their pockets.
Guys if your not quick using pure alone then your doing something wrong.

[gary999]

Anyone that believes purified water solves all problems in
every situation is a little deluded,nothing wrong with people using
other chemicals to increase cleaning power.

purified waters main benefit apart from a little extra  cleaning power compared
to say a low tds tap water is that it leaves windows spotless for the most
part, speed of how you wfp has nothing to do with water being purified, that's
down to confidence and technique.

If someone uses this product and it increases their confidence in
doing the job...if it works whats the harm.

[Smudger]

Matt- exactly right, jk poor choice of example this will either work or not, if not then the future looks bleak for vision.

Sean - yes pure water cleaning is fantastic, better than the alternatives for several different reasons, however no one has stated is perfect 100% of the time, for me I have noticed on the odd property that after 9 to 10 months of WFP cleaning they lose some of that zing, normally I treat these to a 'first clean' and all is right again, now this could just be me, and it effects about one in a hundred customers, but I have also had several customers say that they just don't quite look as good as when we first started cleaning them, this is a bit more difficault for me to determine as I haven't been out doing reg cleans for nearly six months now, and it's too easy to say the guys may not be giving the same attention to a clean that I do.. So I will do a blind test, I will put this in one van and say nowt, but the untreated van will 'have' vision, and see what reports come back.

Darran

Ps - just need to order some magica one go !! 😛😝

[SeanK]

Guys if you think that I believe WFP solves all problems in cleaning windows then you haven't read any of
my previous replies to guys who think it does.
I would be the first to point out the many flaws in WFP cleaning and would say at times I can be over critical of it.
But what I do know is that most problems in WFP cleaning come from poor technique and problem frames and all
the chemicals in the world wont solve this.
Yes speed does come from confidence and if you don't have confidence in pure alone then chemicals wont change that.

[Clever Forum Name]

I will spend money if I can if it makes my life easier,happier it safer

This product ticks boxes for me so I have ordered some.

If it doesn't work it doesn't work.

If I go out and start smashing £600 days because of a "placebo" effect then bring it on.

[SeanK]

Fortunately pure works for me, so no need to go looking for silly gimmicks but if anybody comes up with a
reasonably priced exoskeleton that could speed up these old joints of mine I'm in.
Really want to get a three bed semi done in well under ten minutes.

[Arnold Palmer]

Matt- exactly right, jk poor choice of example this will either work or not, if not then the future looks bleak for vision.

Sean - yes pure water cleaning is fantastic, better than the alternatives for several different reasons, however no one has stated is perfect 100% of the time, for me I have noticed on the odd property that after 9 to 10 months of WFP cleaning they lose some of that zing, normally I treat these to a 'first clean' and all is right again, now this could just be me, and it effects about one in a hundred customers, but I have also had several customers say that they just don't quite look as good as when we first started cleaning them, this is a bit more difficault for me to determine as I haven't been out doing reg cleans for nearly six months now, and it's too easy to say the guys may not be giving the same attention to a clean that I do.. So I will do a blind test, I will put this in one van and say nowt, but the untreated van will 'have' vision, and see what reports come back.

Darran

Ps - just need to order some magica one go !! 😛😝

Hi Smudger,

I assume that you'll do COSHH assessments for any chemicals you use, is it a great idea to sneakily put an additive (containing unknown chemicals and without a COSHH datasheet) into the tank of an unsuspecting employee?

Not so sure.

[p1w1]

Matt- exactly right, jk poor choice of example this will either work or not, if not then the future looks bleak for vision.

Sean - yes pure water cleaning is fantastic, better than the alternatives for several different reasons, however no one has stated is perfect 100% of the time, for me I have noticed on the odd property that after 9 to 10 months of WFP cleaning they lose some of that zing, normally I treat these to a 'first clean' and all is right again, now this could just be me, and it effects about one in a hundred customers, but I have also had several customers say that they just don't quite look as good as when we first started cleaning them, this is a bit more difficault for me to determine as I haven't been out doing reg cleans for nearly six months now, and it's too easy to say the guys may not be giving the same attention to a clean that I do.. So I will do a blind test, I will put this in one van and say nowt, but the untreated van will 'have' vision, and see what reports come back.

Darran

Ps - just need to order some magica one go !! 😛😝

Hi Smudger,

I assume that you'll do COSHH assessments for any chemicals you use, is it a great idea to sneakily put an additive (containing unknown chemicals and without a COSHH datasheet) into the tank of an unsuspecting employee?

Not so sure.

Very good point

[jk999]

I have cleaned a block off flats this morning and done them half hour quicker with the additive . That's a record for me as I'm not the quickest  off window cleaners . I never had a problem with  pure on its own but I always  took my time to make sure they were done properly  . Since using the additive I feel I am doing a better clean  I always  check  windows and I haven't  had a problem  with  spotting.  When you clean  windows with the additive  you feel like your cleaning with watered  down soapy water so you feel  like  your cleaning with soap if that makes sense lol

[Smudger]

Soupy your correct, before adding I will have checked the contents, if the label shows irritant or harmful, then it goes without saying it won't be used without everyone being informed.

Sean, while 95% of problems can come back to technique, there are some that are not, if this eliminates these that's only a good thing

Darran

[Nathanael Jones]

Soupy your correct, before adding I will have checked the contents, if the label shows irritant or harmful, then it goes without saying it won't be used without everyone being informed.

Sean, while 95% of problems can come back to technique, there are some that are not, if this eliminates these that's only a good thing

Darran

Nearly every chemical is harmful or irritant in its concentrated form so the MSDS sheet will probably say all sorts of scary things - the truth is though that its going to be massively diluted so its probably safe to drink.

Take bleach for example - sodium hypochlorite is the chemical name & if you read the MSDS on that you'd be quite shocked,.. but it is commonly used in small doses in the public water supply. My dad is involved in a "Group water scheme" (he lives out in the sticks) where one well feeds 30 odd houses with drinking water - they go through a 25 litre drum of concentrated food grade bleach every 2 months!

[paulben]

If we all thought we had the best stuff around then nothing would change. We would still be all trad using vinegar and water or whatever they used to use. No one would have believed to try fairy or squeegee off or g101 etc . So unless someone comes up with something else most will think pure is the dogs b*****ks and the world is flat , If is just isobutonol or whatever at least they have worked out the best mix but think there maybe something else in it aswell. good on them my order is in . Just want to know what I am dealing with due to a certain health problem