[Jonny 87]

We have the same product

5 ltr concentrate makes 320 litres! Then use 3ml per 100 litres of water! £120 for 5 ltrs sold in boxes of two ONLY
So £240 + VAT Plus Delivery

Not to contradict you, but I can guarantee you havnt rhinoman.

This isn't a rebadged product.

The ingredients in our additive cannot just be bought from a shop or local supplier, they are specialist ingredients that we have sourced, and then have them all blended in the correct ratios.

If you did have the same product then I'd be amazed.

[SeanK]

Get a grip you have bought in a product and are selling it on Just like Rhinoman, the cost to manufacture
test and then bring it to market with safety standard approval would be way beyond your financial capability please stop
taking us all for fools.

[Avo]

I've not read throu all the posts on this topic but is there a video to see this stuff in action?

[Jonny 87]

Get a grip you have bought in a product and are selling it on Just like Rhinoman, the cost to manufacture
test and then bring it to market with safety standard approval would be way beyond your financial capability please stop
taking us all for fools.

Not sure why your so angry Sean.   

There has been considerable cost to get us to this stage, it's been spread out over a number of years, and there is a few of us that have a contributed which has spread the cost and made it possible.

Many people are enjoying using it already, but I understand it won't be for everyone.

If people want to use vision then it's there for those that do. You don't have to try it Sean so don't worry.

[Smurf]

I will be very interested what Alex Gardiner thinks of it as there is no pulling wool over his eyes so to speak.

So don't forget Alex after you have tried it to let us all know what you think 

[Jakey boy]

I will be very interested what Alex Gardiner thinks of it as there is no pulling wool over his eyes so to speak.

So don't forget Alex after you have tried it to let us all know what you think 

I'd expect Alex to be supportive, think about it, as a large business owner, he won't want to run down people in here, and he will probably be very supportive because he understands what it take to produce new innovations to the market, I'd be suprised if he's negative at all about it... He's a successful man, he's not gonna be bothered enough to be negative.

[Smurf]

I'm sure he will say if it's crap or not knowing Alex 

I will be very interested what Alex Gardiner thinks of it as there is no pulling wool over his eyes so to speak.

So don't forget Alex after you have tried it to let us all know what you think 

I'd expect Alex to be supportive, think about it, as a large business owner, he won't want to run down people in here, and he will probably be very supportive because he understands what it take to produce new innovations to the market, I'd be suprised if he's negative at all about it... He's a successful man, he's not gonna be bothered enough to be negative.

[SeanK]

Get a grip you have bought in a product and are selling it on Just like Rhinoman, the cost to manufacture
test and then bring it to market with safety standard approval would be way beyond your financial capability please stop
taking us all for fools.

Not sure why your so angry Sean.   

There has been considerable cost to get us to this stage, it's been spread out over a number of years, and there is a few of us that have a contributed which has spread the cost and made it possible.

Many people are enjoying using it already, but I understand it won't be for everyone.

If people want to use vision then it's there for those that do. You don't have to try it Sean so don't worry.

I'm not angry at all Jonny I have a mate who does something similar he buys in a product in bulk and sells it on in
smaller portions with permission of the supplier.
Its nothing to do with the cleaning industry so I'm not trying to belittle your product for that reason.
But you are trying to convince people that a group of shiners have got together experimented with different chemicals
to produce a new cleaning additive for pure.
You have then had this product tested both on its usefulness to do the job and then on its safety to be sold to the public.
So I take it you have a patent for this new product that you have put so much money and time into ?
For me when someone's story doesn't add up I like to challenge it, if not why come onto a forum on the first place.
I only wish that I had read some negative views on a Brodex pole and Dragonfly kit before buying as it would have saved
me a few quid.
Fair enough the get a grip remark was a bit strong so I apologize for that comment.

[Smurf]

Is it not just me but who in there right mind would pay £1,500 for a 25ltr container of a conentrated cleaning product?

In affect that is how much it would cost rather it being sold for 14.99 250ml of the stuff.

Let me guess you're going to say it's worth it

[Jonny 87]

Get a grip you have bought in a product and are selling it on Just like Rhinoman, the cost to manufacture
test and then bring it to market with safety standard approval would be way beyond your financial capability please stop
taking us all for fools.

Not sure why your so angry Sean.   

There has been considerable cost to get us to this stage, it's been spread out over a number of years, and there is a few of us that have a contributed which has spread the cost and made it possible.

Many people are enjoying using it already, but I understand it won't be for everyone.

If people want to use vision then it's there for those that do. You don't have to try it Sean so don't worry.

I'm not angry at all Jonny I have a mate who does something similar he buys in a product in bulk and sells it on in
smaller portions with permission of the supplier.
Its nothing to do with the cleaning industry so I'm not trying to belittle your product for that reason.
But you are trying to convince people that a group of shiners have got together experimented with different chemicals
to produce a new cleaning additive for pure.
You have then had this product tested both on its usefulness to do the job and then on its safety to be sold to the public.
So I take it you have a patent for this new product that you have put so much money and time into ?
For me when someone's story doesn't add up I like to challenge it, if not why come onto a forum on the first place.
I only wish that I had read some negative views on a Brodex pole and Dragonfly kit before buying as it would have saved
me a few quid.
Fair enough the get a grip remark was a bit strong so I apologize for that comment.

I know your not going to believe us Sean but yes, that is what's happened. A few years ago I was looking for something I could put in pure water to help speed up the process of pure water window cleaning. I felt as though sometimes pure just didn't cut it. I asked around and asked a few questions on various forums, and that's where I met someone who had actually made inroads on the same project. Fast forward nearly four years and we've finally got something that we all really believe in and use every day.
it's benefited our own businesses tremendously in the last year or so, so we feel it could do the same for many other window cleaners.

Also at less than £20 we would never be able 'con' anyone or flog a useless product, because once a few people tried it and gave it a terrible review no one would buy it again.

Ask anyone on this forum who has actually tried the product Sean and see for yourself what they say.

I'm sure there will be some who really don't like it for whatever reason, but the vast majority who have tried it so far say that they like it, and want to keep on using it.

Patent wise We have sufficient protection for it so far, but that is ongoing and yes that is very expensive too unfortunately.

[Clever Forum Name]

Got mine today. Dumped half the bottle in my 850 tank.

I'm expecting good things tomorrow   

[Dave Willis]

Is it not just me but who in there right mind would pay £1,500 for a 25ltr container of a conentrated cleaning product?

In affect that is how much it would cost rather it being sold for 14.99 250ml of the stuff.

Let me guess you're going to say it's worth it

If you saw Boshravies (aka Hasti) post the other day trying to flog his own chemical range you could google the manufacturer (can't now because the mods blocked it). I did and they were looking for distributors of their 'Amazing' products - they even give you the option to rebrand the stuff. Probably what Rhino and his close relative Boshravie are doing. Buy it in bulk and flog it on.

[Jonny 87]

Got mine today. Dumped half the bottle in my 850 tank.

I'm expecting good things tomorrow   

You only need 8 squirts of the bottle. Haha.

Let me know how you get on tomorrow.

[Clever Forum Name]

Only joking nah it hasn't turned up yet

[Smurf]

So to carry on my little pricing thing do you ship it in 1000 ltr ibc's like other suppliers do if so how much would it cost  for 1000ltr ibc ...£60,000 maybe?

[Jonny 87]

Only joking nah it hasn't turned up yet

It was shipped out yesterday so thought it would have arrived today. Hopefully will be with you tomorrow.

[Jonny 87]

So to carry on my little pricing thing do you ship it in 1000 ltr ibc's like other suppliers do if so how much would it cost  for 1000ltr ibc ...£60,000 maybe?

For you smurf......£30,000.

Aslong as you pay upfront.

[Smurf]

I get the feeling I'm being ignored somehow

edit : But your going to give me £30,000 discount

[Smurf]

Just goes to show how expensive that stuff is compared to anything else but you're still going to tell me it's worth it I suppose

[Jonny 87]

Just goes to show how expensive that stuff is compared to anything else but you're still going to tell me it's worth it I suppose

Considering that a 1000 litre ibc of vision would last you about 900 years full time window cleaning, I'd say that's pretty good value.