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Smurf

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Re: Gas heaters (again)
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2014, 12:00:12 pm »
roughly 2 lpm

robert mitchell

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Re: Gas heaters (again)
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2014, 12:05:51 pm »
just looked , just over 2 around 2.2 so about right for window cleaning ..... if its too much you can always divert some back to tank .
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Smurf

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Re: Gas heaters (again)
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2014, 12:08:09 pm »
I use an old L5 that I have the digi controller set to 55-65 which keeps the boiler fired up when in use. Mine still has the 20 min cut out on it too so will turn the boiler off after 20min.

Smurf

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Re: Gas heaters (again)
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2014, 12:17:38 pm »
I could have bough a better one that foggy was flogging with a flue vent after i got the L5. But by the time I got around to getting one he stopped selling them for some strange reason.

robert mitchell

  • Posts: 1997
Re: Gas heaters (again)
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2014, 03:19:37 pm »
its a funny one with these gas heaters ...... we all know they are fine as long as the back doors are open etc but there seems to be no definitive answer on what is legal and what isn't ....... wish somebody would make a gas water heater that fits the same way as the diesel ones flue and air supply through the floor of the van .
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mufcglen

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Re: Gas heaters (again)
« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2014, 03:46:22 pm »
mines been spot on now for the last month and im still on my first bottle of gas and ive been using it everyday apart from a few days when i stopped as i think i was running the system too hot and cracked a glass, now ive got it just slightly hotter than warm and its bang on.
im using the gardiner yellow reel hose and that stands up to it fine even when i had it really hot although it did go a tad soft, for the pole hose im using the red gardiner thermobore and its absolutely spot on,not nice when cold to use as it kinks and curls but warmed up its like a normal all season hose feel.
the main issue im having at the moment is sometimes the swivel elbow on my reel leaks here and there but im going to replace it and see how things go!
back doors are left open when cleaning and apart from passing out a few times when driving ive been ok ::)roll

Dave Willis

Re: Gas heaters (again)
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2014, 03:55:22 pm »
You can probably back the pressure down a bit and stop the leaks.

mufcglen

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Re: Gas heaters (again)
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2014, 07:20:48 pm »
i think its more the brass 1/2 inch quick release fitting every time its disturbed, im going to order the gardiner metal fitment and try that!

slap bash

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Re: Gas heaters (again)
« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2014, 10:09:15 am »
The safety valve on a boiler work on the psi which is pressure not flow which is liters per min. The numptys on the front control the heat and flow which need to be adjusted to flow and the heat of the boiler the pump controler is what can make it a little complicated.  THis is some cases most are just lucky to work with the pump flow and some do produce very hot water were the hoses burst and fitting come off. And some of the boiler melt switches and leak and even heat exchanges burst. This is not to frighten chaps using gas heater, but to make one aware how to work with these water heaters.

Deangsi

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Re: Gas heaters (again)
« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2014, 12:48:06 pm »
IV got this one used for one day so far so good il keep people posted on its quality, it requires a fair bit of flow, tho I just have a divirter tap back to tank fir excess water

How's the boiler working Dean?

working well so far mate tho i havnt used it alot as its not that cold but i think its a good little heater for the tiny amount of £64 :)
i made the mistake of screwing a plastic hose fitting on the hot side after 2 days of use it burnt the threads completly away and blew of. brass one ordered from draper catologue its the smaller one no problem with that now.

please excuse my terrible spelling lol

mufcglen

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Re: Gas heaters (again)
« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2014, 01:09:07 pm »
thats been my main problems too justsorting leaks from the hot side mainly reel connections but ive double clamped fittings and replaced a few tired brass connectors and all good now, the gardiner thermobore pole hose was a must for me with the all season hose turning to silly string!

robert mitchell

  • Posts: 1997
Re: Gas heaters (again)
« Reply #31 on: December 05, 2014, 02:05:53 pm »
Buying  l12 will be madness as it will fire up due to the 100 psi that most pumps used by us they problem is flow which in this case is 12 liters a min so the slow movement of water will boil in the boiler expand and probably burst all your fitting and maybe even you boiler.I have said this before but no one seams to listen so go ahead and buy a 12L
Even a L6 could burst with a low flow of water, Its the PSI that switches on the boiler its the low/flow in liters that makes damage. Thats why you must match the liters per min to a boiler that requires the same flow. This small factor that most seam to miss and that makes each boiler and pump combo different. If it work for one pump it might not work for all.
So when you set your controller down you will need to set the boiler at the same time. Its more complex than it appears on the surface.

You said above its the psi that switches the boiler on.......simply not true its a flow switch that switches on at 0.5 us gallons per minute(around 2.2 litres per minute )in the case of the L5 (most of them switch on at that flow)......the 6lpm or 8 or 12 etc is the maximum flow for that boiler to still heat the water sufficiently  .

Like i said before if it was switched on by pressure it would keep burning when you stop your flow tap on your pole .

maximum pressure on the L5 is shown as 80psi .....it will have an overpressure safety valve as well as an overheat sensor for safety but it doesn't switch the boiler on.

slaptwat
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Dave Willis

Re: Gas heaters (again)
« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2014, 06:13:01 pm »
thats been my main problems too justsorting leaks from the hot side mainly reel connections but ive double clamped fittings and replaced a few tired brass connectors and all good now, the gardiner thermobore pole hose was a must for me with the all season hose turning to silly string!

 :o what sort of temperature are you working at?

PoleKing

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Re: Gas heaters (again)
« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2014, 06:29:40 pm »
its a funny one with these gas heaters ...... we all know they are fine as long as the back doors are open etc but there seems to be no definitive answer on what is legal and what isn't ....... wish somebody would make a gas water heater that fits the same way as the diesel ones flue and air supply through the floor of the van .

Technically, if it's not 'illegal' it is legal.
If there isn't legislation saying you're not legally allowed to do it, then you can.
Whether you should or not is a different question though.
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It's just the internet. Try not to worry.

mufcglen

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Re: Gas heaters (again)
« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2014, 07:49:59 pm »
thats been my main problems too justsorting leaks from the hot side mainly reel connections but ive double clamped fittings and replaced a few tired brass connectors and all good now, the gardiner thermobore pole hose was a must for me with the all season hose turning to silly string!

 :o what sort of temperature are you working at?

i was working at a really hot 60 odd degrees if i can remember from what it said on display but obviously it looses a fair few degrees down the line but it was very hot to touch still, not i think its saying about 45ish but going off feel its just above warm and im happy with that although when i use the fan jets it gets a wee bit hotter which must be due to build up of pressure as its not coming out as fast as pencils, its great though its like using a steam cleaner with the fans while hardly using any water!

SeanK

Re: Gas heaters (again)
« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2014, 07:56:42 pm »
I'm not 100% sure on this one, but I do think there is something about running a gas appliance in a vehicle on
the public roads.
I think its something to do with leaving the van unattended with an open gas bottle or leaving the appliance running
just thinking back to my motorhome wild camping days.
Just to be clear wild camping means to pull up anywhere that's not a campsite, and not to party the bit out. ;D

NWH

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Re: Gas heaters (again)
« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2014, 07:59:33 pm »
Tell your insurance what your using and then see if your allowed to use it from your van,I did years back and unless things have changed its a modification that's not properly installed and on top of that its gas. Like all things there all perfectly fine till you put a claim in. I'm not trying to knock people using them everyone makes there choices but I spoke to an insurance agent who I'm with now and they said you wouldn't be covered.

ChumBucket

Re: Gas heaters (again)
« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2014, 08:04:50 pm »
Tell your insurance what your using and then see if your allowed to use it from your van,I did years back and unless things have changed its a modification that's not properly installed and on top of that its gas. Like all things there all perfectly fine till you put a claim in. I'm not trying to knock people using them everyone makes there choices but I spoke to an insurance agent who I'm with now and they said you wouldn't be covered.

Your insurance agent is a muppet!  ;D How is fitting a gas heater a modification & on what terms would they not be covered?

NWH

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Re: Gas heaters (again)
« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2014, 08:16:24 pm »
Like I said I'm not knocking you at all for what you do,when you tell them you have to explain exactly how it's fitted and by who as its gas. When I explained even with a vent they refused to insure me if I was to do this,I showed mine to a British Gas engineer and asked him if it was safe and he laughed and said Of course not id take it out mate if I were you lol. I bit the bullet and got a diesel heater cos as soon as I tried hot water there was no going back for me to cold

Spruce

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Re: Gas heaters (again)
« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2014, 08:22:45 pm »
Tell your insurance what your using and then see if your allowed to use it from your van,I did years back and unless things have changed its a modification that's not properly installed and on top of that its gas. Like all things there all perfectly fine till you put a claim in. I'm not trying to knock people using them everyone makes there choices but I spoke to an insurance agent who I'm with now and they said you wouldn't be covered.

Ageas don't want to know if you have one or not. It doesn't make any difference to your premium with them - hot or cold.
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