[Jonny 87]

I could always manage to do a full day on 400 but only after changing to fan jets and using aquadaptor.

I know you'll disagree, but you use more water on a lower setting than a high one, and have more risk of spotting ( but that's another debate/thread )

Darran

100% agree with that.

I used to use setting 2 on my flow controller, and I used to easily use 350 litres a day and that's the all the water I had, so I had to trad downstairs and WFP upstairs.

Now I upgraded to a bigger van with a 650 tank and I can work all day doing tops and bottoms WFP with just using about 600 litres or under, I also run my pump pretty much flat out on maintenance cleans and not only am I so much faster than before but I'm using less water than I was previously. I always get much better results and a lot less spotting.

Higher flow is the way forward. 

Higher and hot. Honestly i never use more than 350...surprised you guys dont blow holes in glass with pressure you must be working with 

Don't forget the wire brush for scrubbing, I sometimes wonder what some of the guys on here are getting on the glass ?
Flat out flow to wash 4 weeks of dust of a window, its no wonder they don't mind working in the rain as the water splashing
off the glass would soak them anyway.
 

Wether you use 0.2 litres per minute or 2 litres per minute (like I do) a window still takes the same amount of water to be rinsed clean. So no excess water is used when I clean, just the amount that is needed.

I've worked like this since I got my new van in January and I can get through a lot more work now as I'm quicker, which in turn means I'm earning more.

Problems can arise when you try and use less water than is needed.

Ask yourself if you had an unlimited pure water supply would you still try and clean windows with as little water as possible?

[LWC]

Try hot to I dont have a slow rate mind! i have to have it on 4 to get the boiler fired up. I just really dont know how you guys use so much water.

[Jonny 87]

Try hot to I dont have a slow rate mind! i have to have it on 4 to get the boiler fired up. I just really dont know how you guys use so much water.

Lots of work. lol I use hot aswell.

IVe also noticed that flow controllers don't really tell me a great deal. I like to know what flow rate I've for at the bRush head and keep on adjusting it so I've got 2 litres per minute.

I currently use 8 on my flow controller.

[Jonny 87]

There are two of us working plus we use a high flow rate as we work faster that way and are more confident in the results. It does use more water though.

If I install a 650l tank what would the police be clued up on me being overloaded if they pulled me over? What's the punishment if they do know I'm breaking the law?

You don't want to drive round being overloaded.

Worse case scenario is you have an accident and the police take your vehicle and put it on a weigh bridge. Your up the creek without a paddle if that happens. Major fine and insurance won't pay out.

Your best bet is to put a bigger tank in and then go to a weigh bridge. Put a line on your tank to the maximum you can fill it legally. Then if your working on your own you can put a bit more in.

[ChumBucket]

I could always manage to do a full day on 400 but only after changing to fan jets and using aquadaptor.

I know you'll disagree, but you use more water on a lower setting than a high one, and have more risk of spotting ( but that's another debate/thread )

Darran

100% agree with that.

I used to use setting 2 on my flow controller, and I used to easily use 350 litres a day and that's the all the water I had, so I had to trad downstairs and WFP upstairs.

Now I upgraded to a bigger van with a 650 tank and I can work all day doing tops and bottoms WFP with just using about 600 litres or under, I also run my pump pretty much flat out on maintenance cleans and not only am I so much faster than before but I'm using less water than I was previously. I always get much better results and a lot less spotting.

Higher flow is the way forward. 

Higher and hot. Honestly i never use more than 350...surprised you guys dont blow holes in glass with pressure you must be working with 

Don't forget the wire brush for scrubbing, I sometimes wonder what some of the guys on here are getting on the glass ?
Flat out flow to wash 4 weeks of dust of a window, its no wonder they don't mind working in the rain as the water splashing
off the glass would soak them anyway.
 

Wether you use 0.2 litres per minute or 2 litres per minute (like I do) a window still takes the same amount of water to be rinsed clean. So no excess water is used when I clean, just the amount that is needed.

I've worked like this since I got my new van in January and I can get through a lot more work now as I'm quicker, which in turn means I'm earning more.

Problems can arise when you try and use less water than is needed.

Ask yourself if you had an unlimited pure water supply would you still try and clean windows with as little water as possible?

It's not a case of as little as possible it's a case of "optimum" water flow. So no, if I had unlimited pure water supply I still wouldn't have the flow any more than I do now. If I did it would be bouncing off the glass & splashing where I don't want it to. I honestly think (this is not directed at anyone particular) that some WFP operators are so lacking in finer detailed knowledge & ability that they have to rely on an almost waterfall effect to get anything like a good job done in an economical time frame. Having a faster flow might speed them up but it wouldn't make them any faster than a good operator using "optimum" flow- they would just use more water than was actually necessary.
 Let battle commence!!

[Deangsi]

Try hot to I dont have a slow rate mind! i have to have it on 4 to get the boiler fired up. I just really dont know how you guys use so much water.

higher flow = quicker rince iv helped mark with a few houses hear and there and his flow is painfull takes me ages to clean the windows properly in comparison to my flow setting and when i moaned to mark lol he said yours is even slower. but i use gardiner fan jets mite make it different, i also understand that you may be on a meter and when im eventually on one my attitude will change im sure. 

get a set of gardiner fan jets and turn your flow up a bit more probley number 6 on the varistream id say on one real that is you watch how many more houses you will do honestly mate you will do more an hour just have to push the pole a bit quicker to match the flow

[LWC]

Try hot to I dont have a slow rate mind! i have to have it on 4 to get the boiler fired up. I just really dont know how you guys use so much water.

higher flow = quicker rince iv helped mark with a few houses hear and there and his flow is painfull takes me ages to clean the windows properly in comparison to my flow setting and when i moaned to mark lol he said yours is even slower. but i use gardiner fan jets mite make it different, i also understand that you may be on a meter and when im eventually on one my attitude will change im sure. 

get a set of gardiner fan jets and turn your flow up a bit more probley number 6 on the varistream id say on one real that is you watch how many more houses you will do honestly mate you will do more an hour just have to push the pole a bit quicker to match the flow

You try match our work load then we'll talk

[Jonny 87]

I could always manage to do a full day on 400 but only after changing to fan jets and using aquadaptor.

I know you'll disagree, but you use more water on a lower setting than a high one, and have more risk of spotting ( but that's another debate/thread )

Darran

100% agree with that.

I used to use setting 2 on my flow controller, and I used to easily use 350 litres a day and that's the all the water I had, so I had to trad downstairs and WFP upstairs.

Now I upgraded to a bigger van with a 650 tank and I can work all day doing tops and bottoms WFP with just using about 600 litres or under, I also run my pump pretty much flat out on maintenance cleans and not only am I so much faster than before but I'm using less water than I was previously. I always get much better results and a lot less spotting.

Higher flow is the way forward. 

Higher and hot. Honestly i never use more than 350...surprised you guys dont blow holes in glass with pressure you must be working with 

Don't forget the wire brush for scrubbing, I sometimes wonder what some of the guys on here are getting on the glass ?
Flat out flow to wash 4 weeks of dust of a window, its no wonder they don't mind working in the rain as the water splashing
off the glass would soak them anyway.
 

Wether you use 0.2 litres per minute or 2 litres per minute (like I do) a window still takes the same amount of water to be rinsed clean. So no excess water is used when I clean, just the amount that is needed.

I've worked like this since I got my new van in January and I can get through a lot more work now as I'm quicker, which in turn means I'm earning more.

Problems can arise when you try and use less water than is needed.

Ask yourself if you had an unlimited pure water supply would you still try and clean windows with as little water as possible?

It's not a case of as little as possible it's a case of "optimum" water flow. So no, if I had unlimited pure water supply I still wouldn't have the flow any more than I do now. If I did it would be bouncing off the glass & splashing where I don't want it to. I honestly think (this is not directed at anyone particular) that some WFP operators are so lacking in finer detailed knowledge & ability that they have to rely on an almost waterfall effect to get anything like a good job done in an economical time frame. Having a faster flow might speed them up but it wouldn't make them any faster than a good operator using "optimum" flow- they would just use more water than was actually necessary.
 Let battle commence!!

What's optimal?  

Give me a litres per minute at the brush head.

I've done lots of testing with this personally and I've found 2 litres per minute at the brush head is perfect. Not over splashing, but just good flow.

Lots of people go by numbers or letters on a dial when in reality that means nothing.

Lpm at the brush head is what it's about.

[Deangsi]

LWC the other thing i was thinking to the reason why you use less water than others including myself is i know your jobs are well priced and you do a bit of driving in between houses so for example id say 10 well priced £30 houses will use alot less water than 30 average priced £10 houses. correct me if im wrong just an idea  

[LWC]

LWC the other thing i was thinking to the reason why you use less water than others including myself is i know your jobs are well priced and you do a bit of driving in between houses so for example id say 10 well priced £30 houses will use alot less water than 30 average priced £10 houses. correct me if im wrong just an idea  

You forgot the bit "you're also awesome"

[Deangsi]

You try match our work load then we'll talk
[/quote]

wasnt having a dig mate , but since you asked the question i can do as much as mark and lewis do in a day on my own  

[LWC]

You try match our work load then we'll talk

wasnt having a dig mate , but since you asked the question i can do as much as mark and lewis do in a day on my own  
[/quote]

lol you cant

[ChumBucket]

I could always manage to do a full day on 400 but only after changing to fan jets and using aquadaptor.

I know you'll disagree, but you use more water on a lower setting than a high one, and have more risk of spotting ( but that's another debate/thread )

Darran

100% agree with that.

I used to use setting 2 on my flow controller, and I used to easily use 350 litres a day and that's the all the water I had, so I had to trad downstairs and WFP upstairs.

Now I upgraded to a bigger van with a 650 tank and I can work all day doing tops and bottoms WFP with just using about 600 litres or under, I also run my pump pretty much flat out on maintenance cleans and not only am I so much faster than before but I'm using less water than I was previously. I always get much better results and a lot less spotting.

Higher flow is the way forward. 

Higher and hot. Honestly i never use more than 350...surprised you guys dont blow holes in glass with pressure you must be working with 

Don't forget the wire brush for scrubbing, I sometimes wonder what some of the guys on here are getting on the glass ?
Flat out flow to wash 4 weeks of dust of a window, its no wonder they don't mind working in the rain as the water splashing
off the glass would soak them anyway.
 

Wether you use 0.2 litres per minute or 2 litres per minute (like I do) a window still takes the same amount of water to be rinsed clean. So no excess water is used when I clean, just the amount that is needed.

I've worked like this since I got my new van in January and I can get through a lot more work now as I'm quicker, which in turn means I'm earning more.

Problems can arise when you try and use less water than is needed.

Ask yourself if you had an unlimited pure water supply would you still try and clean windows with as little water as possible?

It's not a case of as little as possible it's a case of "optimum" water flow. So no, if I had unlimited pure water supply I still wouldn't have the flow any more than I do now. If I did it would be bouncing off the glass & splashing where I don't want it to. I honestly think (this is not directed at anyone particular) that some WFP operators are so lacking in finer detailed knowledge & ability that they have to rely on an almost waterfall effect to get anything like a good job done in an economical time frame. Having a faster flow might speed them up but it wouldn't make them any faster than a good operator using "optimum" flow- they would just use more water than was actually necessary.
 Let battle commence!!

What's optimal?  

Give me a litres per minute at the brush head.

I've done lots of testing with this personally and I've found 2 litres per minute at the brush head is perfect. Not over splashing, but just good flow.

Lots of people go by numbers or letters on a dial when in reality that means nothing.

Lpm at the brush head is what it's about.

Optimum flow doesn't come from a number or a setting, it comes from experience & knowledge. Afterall, my number 2 on my varistream could amount to the same 2 lpm as yours- as lots of factors will determine the final (brush end) flow within each individual system. I just cannot understand why anyone would run a pump flat out with no flow control.

[Deangsi]

You try match our work load then we'll talk

wasnt having a dig mate , but since you asked the question i can do as much as mark and lewis do in a day on my own  

lol you cant
[/quote]

i can i have an extreme pole only the best have these lol

[LWC]

Then you can pay for that tank you had of us

[Deangsi]

the tanks marks not yours, your tank is in marks van

[LWC]

the tanks marks not yours, your tank is in marks van

Half mine yes 

[Deangsi]

the tanks marks not yours, your tank is in marks van

Half mine yes 

well when i did the deal with mark there was no talk of you being involved in the deal and i believed it to be marks as he had it of me originally, also i dont quite know why your on the defensive when i was mearly making a constructive comment. was only a bit of advice we can all learn of people

[Jonny 87]

I could always manage to do a full day on 400 but only after changing to fan jets and using aquadaptor.

I know you'll disagree, but you use more water on a lower setting than a high one, and have more risk of spotting ( but that's another debate/thread )

Darran

100% agree with that.

I used to use setting 2 on my flow controller, and I used to easily use 350 litres a day and that's the all the water I had, so I had to trad downstairs and WFP upstairs.

Now I upgraded to a bigger van with a 650 tank and I can work all day doing tops and bottoms WFP with just using about 600 litres or under, I also run my pump pretty much flat out on maintenance cleans and not only am I so much faster than before but I'm using less water than I was previously. I always get much better results and a lot less spotting.

Higher flow is the way forward. 

Higher and hot. Honestly i never use more than 350...surprised you guys dont blow holes in glass with pressure you must be working with 

Don't forget the wire brush for scrubbing, I sometimes wonder what some of the guys on here are getting on the glass ?
Flat out flow to wash 4 weeks of dust of a window, its no wonder they don't mind working in the rain as the water splashing
off the glass would soak them anyway.
 

Wether you use 0.2 litres per minute or 2 litres per minute (like I do) a window still takes the same amount of water to be rinsed clean. So no excess water is used when I clean, just the amount that is needed.

I've worked like this since I got my new van in January and I can get through a lot more work now as I'm quicker, which in turn means I'm earning more.

Problems can arise when you try and use less water than is needed.

Ask yourself if you had an unlimited pure water supply would you still try and clean windows with as little water as possible?

It's not a case of as little as possible it's a case of "optimum" water flow. So no, if I had unlimited pure water supply I still wouldn't have the flow any more than I do now. If I did it would be bouncing off the glass & splashing where I don't want it to. I honestly think (this is not directed at anyone particular) that some WFP operators are so lacking in finer detailed knowledge & ability that they have to rely on an almost waterfall effect to get anything like a good job done in an economical time frame. Having a faster flow might speed them up but it wouldn't make them any faster than a good operator using "optimum" flow- they would just use more water than was actually necessary.
 Let battle commence!!

What's optimal?  

Give me a litres per minute at the brush head.

I've done lots of testing with this personally and I've found 2 litres per minute at the brush head is perfect. Not over splashing, but just good flow.

Lots of people go by numbers or letters on a dial when in reality that means nothing.

Lpm at the brush head is what it's about.

Optimum flow doesn't come from a number or a setting, it comes from experience & knowledge. Afterall, my number 2 on my varistream could amount to the same 2 lpm as yours- as lots of factors will determine the final (brush end) flow within each individual system. I just cannot understand why anyone would run a pump flat out with no flow control.

Yip, I agree with you on that one.

Do you know what flow rate you use though?

I'm always interested to see what other people find is optimal.

[LWC]

the tanks marks not yours, your tank is in marks van

Half mine yes  

well when i did the deal with mark there was no talk of you being involved in the deal and i believed it to be marks as he had it of me originally, also i dont quite know why your on the defensive when i was mearly making a constructive comment. was only a bit of advice we can all learn of people

Yeh it half ours as he has mine, Mark said hes sorting it anyway. Im not on defensive at all lol, things read differently on here, im laughing mon. You should know my sarcasm by now. Of course we can all learn, my original point was i dont use much water and dont see how anyone else uses so much and i dont consider my water slow at all. Never seen yours tho...mark has spoke of it lol, id probably pass out using that much