[Leeds]

Is there anything illegal about two self-employed windies working together on a round and splitting the money?

Can this be done without employment becoming an issue?

[Clever Forum Name]

That would be a partnership.

[deeege]

Highly illegal and punishable by firing squad.

[PoleKing]

Is there anything illegal about two self-employed windies working together on a round and splitting the money?

No

Can this be done without employment becoming an issue?

Yes

[Shane O Neill]

I Call this splitting hair !!

[AuRavelling79]

Highly illegal and punishable by firing squad.

And immediate cessation of chocolate rations.

[Leeds]

Am i right in saying that if i become a LTD company, i cant be employed by anyone, even if i only do work for them?

[Arnold Palmer]

Am i right in saying that if i become a LTD company, i cant be employed by anyone, even if i only do work for them?

You can't become a Ltd company,  its a separate entity.

You can work for whomever you want.

[Total shine cleaning services]

you can become a ltd company and be employed, two self employed window cleaners can split a round but you can't have a round and pay someone to help on a self employed basis permanently, hope that makes sense

Graham

[Leeds]

you can become a ltd company and be employed, two self employed window cleaners can split a round but you can't have a round and pay someone to help on a self employed basis permanently, hope that makes sense

Graham

1. i create a ltd. company.
2. i am the only person in that company
3. i work for another window cleaner under my ltd. company
4. am i employed by that other person?

[Arnold Palmer]

you can become a ltd company and be employed, two self employed window cleaners can split a round but you can't have a round and pay someone to help on a self employed basis permanently, hope that makes sense

Graham

1. i create a ltd. company.
2. i am the only person in that company
3. i work for another window cleaner under my ltd. company
4. am i employed by that other person?

What do you mean "under my Ltd. company"?

Do you send him a bill for work done? If so you are a sub-contractor.

[steve rix]

you can become a ltd company and be employed, two self employed window cleaners can split a round but you can't have a round and pay someone to help on a self employed basis permanently, hope that makes sense

Graham

1. i create a ltd. company.
2. i am the only person in that company
3. i work for another window cleaner under my ltd. company
4. am i employed by that other person?

NO the limited company is being paid not you. You then draw a dividend from the ltd company if you are a/the shareholder

[Leeds]

you can become a ltd company and be employed, two self employed window cleaners can split a round but you can't have a round and pay someone to help on a self employed basis permanently, hope that makes sense

Graham

1. i create a ltd. company.
2. i am the only person in that company
3. i work for another window cleaner under my ltd. company
4. am i employed by that other person?

NO the limited company is being paid not you. You then draw a dividend from the ltd company if you are a/the shareholder

Ahh so i just invoice the person i do the work for?

[Arnold Palmer]

Ahh so i just invoice the person i do the work for?

Yes. Subcontracting.

[Leeds]

Ahh so i just invoice the person i do the work for?

Yes. Subcontracting.

and if i invoiced him moth after month. year after year, the tax man wouldnt start claiming employment?

[Arnold Palmer]

There are other distinctions to be considered.

From HMRC:

Employed or self-employed?
In order to answer this question it is necessary to determine whether the person works under a contract of service (employees) or under a contract for services (self-employed, independent contractor). For tax and NICs purposes, there is no statutory definition of a contract of service or of a contract for services. What the parties call their relationship, or what they consider it to be, is not conclusive. It is the reality of the relationship that matters.

In order to determine the nature of a contract, it is necessary to apply common law principles. The courts have, over the years, laid down some factors and tests that are relevant, which is included in the overview below.

As a general guide as to whether a worker is an employee or self-employed; if the answer is 'Yes' to all of the following questions, then the worker is probably an employee:

Do they have to do the work themselves?
Can someone tell them at any time what to do, where to carry out the work or when and how to do it?
Can they work a set amount of hours?
Can someone move them from task to task?
Are they paid by the hour, week, or month?
Can they get overtime pay or bonus payment?
If the answer is 'Yes' to all of the following questions, it will usually mean that the worker is self-employed:

Can they hire someone to do the work or engage helpers at their own expense?
Do they risk their own money?
Do they provide the main items of equipment they need to do their job, not just the small tools that many employees provide for themselves?
Do they agree to do a job for a fixed price regardless of how long the job may take?
Can they decide what work to do, how and when to do the work and where to provide the services?
Do they regularly work for a number of different people?
Do they have to correct unsatisfactory work in their own time and at their own expense?


See here for more information: http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/employment-status/#1

[Bob Stones]

Has richy changed his name ?

[Leeds]

There are other distinctions to be considered.

From HMRC:

Employed or self-employed?
In order to answer this question it is necessary to determine whether the person works under a contract of service (employees) or under a contract for services (self-employed, independent contractor). For tax and NICs purposes, there is no statutory definition of a contract of service or of a contract for services. What the parties call their relationship, or what they consider it to be, is not conclusive. It is the reality of the relationship that matters.

In order to determine the nature of a contract, it is necessary to apply common law principles. The courts have, over the years, laid down some factors and tests that are relevant, which is included in the overview below.

As a general guide as to whether a worker is an employee or self-employed; if the answer is 'Yes' to all of the following questions, then the worker is probably an employee:

Do they have to do the work themselves?
Can someone tell them at any time what to do, where to carry out the work or when and how to do it?
Can they work a set amount of hours?
Can someone move them from task to task?
Are they paid by the hour, week, or month?
Can they get overtime pay or bonus payment?
If the answer is 'Yes' to all of the following questions, it will usually mean that the worker is self-employed:

Can they hire someone to do the work or engage helpers at their own expense?
Do they risk their own money?
Do they provide the main items of equipment they need to do their job, not just the small tools that many employees provide for themselves?
Do they agree to do a job for a fixed price regardless of how long the job may take?
Can they decide what work to do, how and when to do the work and where to provide the services?
Do they regularly work for a number of different people?
Do they have to correct unsatisfactory work in their own time and at their own expense?


See here for more information: http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/employment-status/#1

Sweet! THe other way round, i wouldnt pay someone by the hour etc, theyd use their own equipment, id tell them they have to do this many streets, and its up to them how, how fast, and to fix any poor quality. and they can invoice me for an agreed price. That was'nt too hard

[Leeds]

nah lol, i just cant afford to employ right now, but do need the help of an extra person. especially in winter

[escorttdi]

just employ them....... and the do the david murray thing..... e b t,s

just as well her legs are knackered....... or id of done it to them