[cleaning4usussex]

Yes brands , types  you can buy ones for £30 and then there was the one you showed me Chris which is out of my price range at the moment I don't mind buying a good harness which will last and do the job properly but this roof clean is only priced at £500 it's quite flat with large interlocking tiles you can walk on most roofers would go up without a harness but I value my life 

[cleaning4usussex]

I will look into spanset do you know how much they cost approx rob

[Matt Gibson]

We use a 2 rope system, same as Mike Roberts on here. Got all the gear from www.totalaccess.co.uk

Very helpful. Got 2 lengths of rope, harness, all the caribiners and two rope grabs. Works well and dont need to move the ladder around.

[Rob_Mac]

You want a two point harness.

Definitely no need to spend a lot of money. I think mine were £60.00 each but they do cheaper ones. They have to be of quality but whichever you buy they have a lifespan, generally of five years.

They are all dated and have a final date on them as well.

I have three in the unit that we can no longer use on my works as we have to show the conformity sheets.

Rob

[chris scott]

A rope grab is more important than the harness... Drill and rawlbolt the wall and/or tie it to something solid/heavy. Roof ladders are handy (hire them)
Here this has all the access gear you will need.... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fall-arrest-kit-/221589502700?pt=UK_H_G_Ladders_RL&hash=item3397c37aec

[cleaning4usussex]

I am the highest bidder! 

[chris scott]

I am the highest bidder! 

[cleaning4usussex]

If I win these on eBay these will do me so I can get used to them then I can upgrade as I need to,😀

[chris scott]

You will not need to upgrade...it's got everything you need.

[cleaning4usussex]

Thanks

[Great Outdoors]

Nice to see nothing has changed.

Why would anyone recommend a 2nd hand rope system ?

Why would anyone buy a second hand system ?  The only item which is usable is the rope bag !

[Matt Gibson]

Have to agree with greatoutdoors here. Make sure you get all the paperwork and safety check sheets with the ebay ropes. Otherwise you dont know how old how worn etc.. when i bought all my rope stuff i made up safety check sheets on the computer that i fill out every time i use the equipment.

You could buy all that new cor a couple hundred quid and then you have piece of mind.

Welcome back Mike  

[Rob_Mac]

Mike has been absent for some time now but it is good to see that he is back and that he has highlighted the potential problems if the second hand system is purchased.

Solid advice from Mike & Matt

Rob

[chris scott]

They are all secondhand once you have used them once. Common sense would suggest you don't use anything damaged...  I have three harness sets all from ebay ...all as brand new .
I would worry more about what it is attached too.
If you are employing somebody to go on the roof for you ....you will need to reconsider all of the above.

[Rob_Mac]

Backtrack - to completely change what you think or say about something

Rob

[cleaning4usussex]

If I got into larger projects would none of it be ok to use ? If older than 5 years ?

[Rob_Mac]

These things are covered by conformity records.

Date made
Date 1st used
Date of last use

As has been pointed out, you have no idea of the history, if a lanyard (harness) has a fall on it it should be replaced. It might look ok but this is what should happen.

If you get into larger projects, commercial? - you won't be using rope systems!

Spend the money on 'new' kit. It is there to potentially save your life.

Phone your insurance company up and see where you stand if you buy the Ebay set up!!

Rob

[Rob_Mac]

By the look of it you are going to be buying the Ebay set up as well, you're the only bidder

Rob

[Matt Gibson]

Records need to be a bit more than dates. You need to have check boxes, visual inspections etc.. and as Rob said, if you get into commercial work, then you don't want to be using second hand stuff, but i also agree with Chris, that once you use something, it becomes second hand, but at least you know how it has been used from new.

I think you can use ropes in any scenario, commercial or domestic, as long as its a professional set up, but if you go into commercial work, using ropes, you WILL need up to date records, with daily checks etc of all rope equip.

Common sense is the key here.

[chris scott]

If I got into larger projects would none of it be ok to use ? If older than 5 years ?

Hse recommend it is inspected by a "professional service " every 6 months . You will need paper work to prove this in the event of something happening/ and or inspection by Hse/insurance company.
So Strictly speaking if it is 6 months old with no " professional inspection records " you should not be using it.

Bearing this in mind  "paperwork" does not make the equipment safe to use. It is down to how the  operator is rigging it and the condition of the equipment at the "time" of use. If it was inspected 12 hours it could still be damaged when you come to use it!!

Remember most paper work is in place as a checklist for Muppets and so "somebody" has got "someone" to blame...nobody wants to be responsible for there own actions .

Just make sure your anchor point is solid.... tree,van,rawlbolts....we have used  water drums in tonne bags.