[Rob_Mac]

I know the answer but I wonder if you do?

If you spoke to your insurance company (you do have insurance don't you?) would they say that was an acceptable methodology and do you feel confident giving out such advice as that and tying your set up to an anchor point such as a van, tree is 'sound and good' advice?

I don't know how Mike or Matt 'anchors' their set up but I am sure it would be with bolts as a minimum of standard. They are both professionals and though I don't use a rope system at all I would only work from a drilled anchor point if I had to do it this way. They may do it another way! but irrespective of how it is carried out it must be acceptable to insurers, particularly if (god forbid) you need to action the policy.

I clean all of my roofs from MEWP. I have just looked at another roof clean that has been priced to include an 85 MEWP and the plan is to boom across the ridge and drop down the other side of both buildings.

Looking at the way you give out advice and what is in that advice would tell me that you don't fit the title of 'professional'.

Now that may be personal and your level of professional is clearly different to mine and you may not see there are levels of service that are above your level, by a long way.

I would suggest you stop giving out 'bad' advice and think before you engage your frustrated viewpoint

Have a good evening 'stetson' boy

. Does this fit?

Rob

[Rob_Mac]

Carl

I don't buy that trash, I'm a Times sort of 'chap' 

Rob

[chris scott]

I forgot tying round the chimney stack ....

[Rob_Mac]

Yeeehaaaaaa

Do you lasso the rope over the chimney?

Amended after posting - you haven't answered any of my questions. Why's that?

Rob

[chris scott]

Yes... it is a sort of Lasso that goes round the chimney.
Yes ...I feel confident in saying tie your rope to a sound anchor point ...something that wont move if you slip.
The rest of your "questions are statements" telling me how good you are.

[Rob_Mac]

Through your suggestion Cleaning4 is now in a situation where he is purchasing an inadequate safe system - would you agree with that?

Do you think his insurance company will accept that 'Chris Scott told me it would be ok'?

Is using barrels of water in a 1 tonne bag something that you would put down on a MS? Would that cover you as a safe working practice, in relation to how your insurance would see it?


Are these about me? They remain unanswered!

Rob

[chris scott]

As discussed the system he is about to purchase is an adequate harness system...the condition needs to be inspected before use.... As would a brand new one .

"Chris scott told me it would be ok"... Why would his or any insurance company be bothered about what I ,you or anybody else said?  
Even when I was a kid "he made me do it" ...never was the correct answer.

I wouldn't have clue what my insurance consider "safe working practice" ...if something goes wrong ,they are a law unto themselves.
You seem to see insurance as "insurance against" something going wrong ..it is not.

If the  the 2 ton van is the safest thing to tie off to... thats what happens. If the wall needs drilling and bolting thats what happens...Sometimes I "lasso" the chimney (  Same with the one ton bag.)

[Rob_Mac]

You carry on with your 'sound' advice and 'of a level' working practises.

You have after all got 14 websites

What are the web addresses out of interest?

Rob

[cleaning4usussex]

What have I started 😁😁😁😁

[chris scott]

Why is a window cleaner like yourself Rob interested in what I am up to ...maybe looking for another add-on?

I am getting bored  of you ...although it has been funny in parts.  

So from now on to retain the integrity of the site in general and for the sake of other users ...I am going to refrain from taking part in any discussion with you.

Please don't take this as "I  have spat my dummy out " far from it.... genuinely it is that I am bored of you.

If you ever need advice... on anything (even the size of your nozzle) please feel free to call me ...or use one of my 14 websites to get in touch .
I will be always there for you....but as I say you bore me ...so it's over. xxx

[Great Outdoors]

Only came back to look at something which came to me attention.

Second hand argument is a nonsense, you do not know the history of the eBay stuff full stop hence To any pro it's worth less. No pro would buy a second hand harness ,Only other advice I will give u is log off this site and do some simple research a lot of posts on here are simply nonsense, the post ref roof coating was hilarious 4lts lol

Chris has totally changed his tune yet guys still take his advice ref moss kill , wake up

"totally changed his tune" Have I ...in what respect ?
Enter Rob....

suggest u read ur posts, at one stage u recommend an eBay item after neg comments you quote Hs regs which conflicts with ur rec completely.

To be honest I really don't give a damn if some brainless muppet wants to use second  hand poop,  whatever... Nice to back  

In English please ?
I suggested that if the harness was in good order (after he had given it a  visual inspection) than it would be Ok for his own personal use.
If he is sending an employee up there to clean the roof it is a whole different ball game .

Mike who actually does the cleaning for you and for what reason?

I fail to see where I have changed my views on cleaning roofs... I adopt both methods but prefer Softwashing.

Sealing Concrete roofs I use a clear water based acrylic....Slate and Rosemarys a water-based Fluoropolymer.

My song remains the same

The point is you simply don't know the history of the harness, hence its useless. A visual inspection is worthless unless you can trace / show its history.

Why should it make a difference who goes up there ? Surely you want to use a system that's safe !

The statement you have changed your tune is in respect to the ebay item you recommended and not your roof cleaning methods.

[Rob_Mac]

Boo hoo - I can give it but I can't take it -

- Is this you?

When you start playing the smart arse games you think you can play on here, thinking you're clever you have to understand that none of us are stupid and if you don't like a little banter then you shouldn't give it out.

I know I have got right up your nose -



Have a great day

Rob

[Don Kee]

What a bunch a fannies...

Get a grip lads, its the internet...

Re read the whole thread, look at yourselves in the mirror, and then ask yourself ''am i actually a grown up, or did i just throw a b1tch fit on the internet like a 13year old school girl...

You're so keen to measure thingyes that the bloke asking for help as no idea now...well done

[Rob_Mac]

I have thoroughly enjoyed myself.

Rob

[Rob_Mac]

Damn it that was the wrong one.

Here you go -



Rob

[chris scott]

Mike

Whilst  I appreciate your views on traceability of the harness  ...ultimately it is a visual inspection that you are relying on before it is deemed safe to use.

If you  as an employer are sending somebody up on the roof to clean....then it's a completely different  set of "rules" than doing it yourself. Granted the gear your using still needs to be safe.

I have bought several harness,chimney anchorage systems,fall arrest/recovery blocks etc that have been in "as new" condition and I have no hesitation in using them.

I  think that say... the fall arrest/blocks are around £650 each new...if  I had to pay that we would not have them.  I have bought secondhand" as new" so we have them.
 
So now we have rope access and the addition of fall arrest with recovery.

Tying  off we have drums in bags,we use trees,vans, Eyes bolted into masonry,chimney anchorage systems (Robs lasso) Tirfor ground anchors. We have these ..but I don't trust them http://simplifiedsafety.com/store/fall-protection/anchor-points/concrete-anchors/concrete-anchor-10k-or-5k.html

The only thing we struggle with that I need to find a solution for is temporary edge protection ....what do you use?

If cleaning 4u is on a budget  I see no problem in using second hand safety equpment providing it is in good order. We all take risks every day...we can reduce risk yes but we still take them.
I hope the seatbelts in the van work when I need them ...I bought them secondhand

[Great Outdoors]

Mike

Whilst  I appreciate your views on traceability of the harness  ...ultimately it is a visual inspection that you are relying on before it is deemed safe to use.

If you  as an employer are sending somebody up on the roof to clean....then it's a completely different  set of "rules" than doing it yourself. Granted the gear your using still needs to be safe.

I have bought several harness,chimney anchorage systems,fall arrest/recovery blocks etc that have been in "as new" condition and I have no hesitation in using them.

I  think that say... the fall arrest/blocks are around £650 each new...if  I had to pay that we would not have them.  I have bought secondhand" as new" so we have them.
 
So now we have rope access and the addition of fall arrest with recovery.

Tying  off we have drums in bags,we use trees,vans, Eyes bolted into masonry,chimney anchorage systems (Robs lasso) Tirfor ground anchors. We have these ..but I don't trust them http://simplifiedsafety.com/store/fall-protection/anchor-points/concrete-anchors/concrete-anchor-10k-or-5k.html

The only thing we struggle with that I need to find a solution for is temporary edge protection ....what do you use?

If cleaning 4u is on a budget  I see no problem in using second hand safety equpment providing it is in good order. We all take risks every day...we can reduce risk yes but we still take them.
I hope the seatbelts in the van work when I need them ...I bought them secondhand

LOOK Not going to keep going over this as we all have better things to be doing! Our opinion differs greatly, If your on a budget and you cant afford decent kit then don't do roof cleaning ... simples.

Ref to edge it would be classed as short duration working, we stay at least 1m away whilst cleaning using suitably positioned anchor point, gables are cleaned via ground using telescopic s.

As for a decent harness - Navaho Bod Full Sternal Harness gives you far more comfort whilst using ropes compared to the std harness

Matt has supplied the guy with everything he needs

Thats my lot 

[chris scott]

No problem

[Great Outdoors]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLWgbZgkpZc

 

[cleaning4usussex]

I'm still the highest bidder😁😁😁😁😁😁😁