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KLEENAWAY

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Re: Emerson heater question.
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2014, 06:26:39 pm »
I have and immersion heater in my water tank, its wired with standard 6mm cable and has a fused spur which has a 13 amp fuse in that the electrician refitted about 8 months ago....my boiler is broken at the moment and the immersion heater has been getting hammered.

I havent had a problem

Danny

Harry Roberts

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Re: Emerson heater question.
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2014, 08:51:46 pm »
This is the type of emersion heater I was thinking of.
It's a titainium one.

Do you think it would be ok?

ChumBucket

Re: Emerson heater question.
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2014, 09:15:12 pm »
This is the type of emersion heater I was thinking of.
It's a titainium one.

Do you think it would be ok?

No image there.

Harry Roberts

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Re: Emerson heater question.
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2014, 10:18:04 pm »

This is the type of emersion heater I was thinking of.
It's a titainium one.

Do you think it would be ok?

Caleb Morley

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Re: Emerson heater question.
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2014, 10:46:10 pm »
Hi guys. 
I'm thinking of getting a heating engineer to come and fit a titanium emersion heater much like the one you would find on your hot water tank in the airing cubboard.
Plug in over night and there my hot water. I only really want say 45 degrees or so.

Has anyone done this and if do any good? 

Cheers
H

Have you just been let out of prison?

Harry Roberts

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Re: Emerson heater question.
« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2014, 11:04:31 pm »
Prison ? No.
I just can't upload the soddin picture!!

wpclean

Re: Emerson heater question.
« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2014, 04:26:24 pm »
Excellent advice on this subject, can I ask what you used to make the hole in the tank for the heater please ?

ChumBucket

Re: Emerson heater question.
« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2014, 05:06:42 pm »
I'm just about to fit another in a brand new, bigger tank. Can't remember off hand, the hole saw is in the shed somewhere, think it's around 63mm but will confirm later this week if you like.

I'll just remove the fittings from my old tank & transfer them over.

wpclean

Re: Emerson heater question.
« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2014, 05:12:42 pm »
I'm just about to fit another in a brand new, bigger tank. Can't remember off hand, the hole saw is in the shed somewhere, think it's around 63mm but will confirm later this week if you like.

I'll just remove the fittings from my old tank & transfer them over.
Thanks for that, just ordered the element & bits, can you tell me what temperature you recommend, as I have a 650 litre tank ?  I am very thankful for all your help  ;D

ChumBucket

Re: Emerson heater question.
« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2014, 05:16:25 pm »
I'm just about to fit another in a brand new, bigger tank. Can't remember off hand, the hole saw is in the shed somewhere, think it's around 63mm but will confirm later this week if you like.

I'll just remove the fittings from my old tank & transfer them over.
Thanks for that, just ordered the element & bits, can you tell me what temperature you recommend, as I have a 650 litre tank ?  I am very thankful for all your help  ;D

Think my element stat is set to about 70/80oC, it's never tripped & I have mine on for four hours in a 400ltr flat tank- set by mains timer. An upright tank might have different heating characteristics I don't know.

Perfect Windows

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Re: Emerson heater question.
« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2014, 05:33:20 pm »
I'm just about to fit another in a brand new, bigger tank. Can't remember off hand, the hole saw is in the shed somewhere, think it's around 63mm but will confirm later this week if you like.

I'll just remove the fittings from my old tank & transfer them over.
Thanks for that, just ordered the element & bits, can you tell me what temperature you recommend, as I have a 650 litre tank ?  I am very thankful for all your help  ;D

If it's 3kW (as pictured in your link) then it'll raise 650 litres of water by one degree every 15 minutes and six seconds (though that assumes perfect insulation, which, as mentioned above, might not be what you want if you also want the van warm).

So, even if you leave it on from 10pm to 6am, you'll only be raising its temperature by a maximum of around 32deg.  It'll be quite a bit less due to heat leakage.  Tap water in winter will be around 5 deg C so you shouldn't be able to exceed your target if it's 45 deg.  However, plenty of people seem to suggest around 20 deg as a safe limit when it comes to breaking cold windows, so that might make sense.

The other thing to bear in mind is that a 3kW heater will cost around 30p per hour to run.

Vin

wpclean

Re: Emerson heater question.
« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2014, 06:07:31 pm »
Thank you Vin, you should be a scientist !   Got the electrician coming to price up fitting an outside 16 amp socket.

I am not going to be caught out this winter, and it doesn't take much for me to get down hearted !

ChumBucket

Re: Emerson heater question.
« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2014, 06:30:04 pm »
Thank you Vin, you should be a scientist !   Got the electrician coming to price up fitting an outside 16 amp socket.

I am not going to be caught out this winter, and it doesn't take much for me to get down hearted !

Good for doing it right, it is a fantastic solution for winter. Think about where you position the element. Vin's calculations might be correct in theory but you'll not be heating a full 650 ltrs as the element won't be on the bottom of the tank. My element is approx one quarter to one third up from the bottom of the tank. I won't go in to all the warm water rises etc etc & the water will all mix anyway once you set off. What I'm getting at is that ideally you don't really want to be heating the full 650 ltrs, it will take longer & cost more. The size, shape & orientation of your tank will determine the best position for the element. ;)

Nick_Thompson

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Re: Emerson heater question.
« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2014, 06:41:00 pm »


How about a 1kw aquarium heater; just drop it in the tank.

Nick
Do quantum mechanics fix old transits?

And let us not forget, voyeurism is an occupational hazard that we simply must endure.

wpclean

Re: Emerson heater question.
« Reply #34 on: November 18, 2014, 07:00:44 pm »
Thank you Vin, you should be a scientist !   Got the electrician coming to price up fitting an outside 16 amp socket.

I am not going to be caught out this winter, and it doesn't take much for me to get down hearted !

Good for doing it right, it is a fantastic solution for winter. Think about where you position the element. Vin's calculations might be correct in theory but you'll not be heating a full 650 ltrs as the element won't be on the bottom of the tank. My element is approx one quarter to one third up from the bottom of the tank. I won't go in to all the warm water rises etc etc & the water will all mix anyway once you set off. What I'm getting at is that ideally you don't really want to be heating the full 650 ltrs, it will take longer & cost more. The size, shape & orientation of your tank will determine the best position for the element. ;)
The baffle goes vertically down the middle of the tank, so I will have to position it near the bottom I think

DaveG

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Re: Emerson heater question.
« Reply #35 on: November 18, 2014, 07:05:25 pm »


How about a 1kw aquarium heater; just drop it in the tank.

Nick

Hi Nick, do you have a link for that heater?

Cheers
You can't polish a turd

ChumBucket

Re: Emerson heater question.
« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2014, 07:13:50 pm »
Thank you Vin, you should be a scientist !   Got the electrician coming to price up fitting an outside 16 amp socket.

I am not going to be caught out this winter, and it doesn't take much for me to get down hearted !

Good for doing it right, it is a fantastic solution for winter. Think about where you position the element. Vin's calculations might be correct in theory but you'll not be heating a full 650 ltrs as the element won't be on the bottom of the tank. My element is approx one quarter to one third up from the bottom of the tank. I won't go in to all the warm water rises etc etc & the water will all mix anyway once you set off. What I'm getting at is that ideally you don't really want to be heating the full 650 ltrs, it will take longer & cost more. The size, shape & orientation of your tank will determine the best position for the element. ;)
The baffle goes vertically down the middle of the tank, so I will have to position it near the bottom I think

What tank is it? Wydale? size? Flat or upright? the baffle shouldn't be an issue to the height at which you install the element.

ChumBucket

Re: Emerson heater question.
« Reply #37 on: November 18, 2014, 07:15:12 pm »


How about a 1kw aquarium heater; just drop it in the tank.

Nick

It might take the chill off but if 3KW takes four hours to heat 400ltrs I can't see this having much of an impact.

robert mitchell

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Re: Emerson heater question.
« Reply #38 on: November 18, 2014, 07:30:27 pm »
www.ishinewindowcleaning.co.uk

The man who never made a mistake never made anything.

ChumBucket

Re: Emerson heater question.
« Reply #39 on: November 18, 2014, 07:55:39 pm »
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360844400777?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT


This can be used with a 13 amp socket as its 2kw .

It's 7" long. Not much longer than a domestic kettle element & the same power. You might get 400ltrs of hot water if you leave it on for a week! ;D