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H20cleaning

  • Posts: 2098
Van broke part 2
« on: August 14, 2014, 08:12:49 pm »
So today whilst driving down the dual carriage way my van tried to cut out and was running lumpy now and again, if i let off the revs are a round about then it stalled and wouldnt start again.

So clearly it hadn't run out if fuel the other day when the AA man said it had.

Today we checked the fuel filter (wich was rather black) tried changing it but we had the wrong one, so need to try the correct one tomorrow.

There is plenty of fuel pumping through the system and when we turn the key we can here the fuel pump kick in.

There is fuel been fed to the injectors( but i was told if an injector fails it wouldnt stall the van it would run lumpy)

Any other ideas of what it could be? The battery etc is all fine, and once running the majority of the time it drives spot on with no noises or warning lights.

PoleKing

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Re: Van broke part 2
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2014, 09:58:22 pm »
Checked your turbo lines again?
I don't actually know what that means or how to do it but that was the problem in my Trafic (albeit the 2.5)
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H20cleaning

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Re: Van broke part 2
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2014, 10:11:54 pm »
But the van sometimes doesnt start so wouldnt that rule out any turbo problems?

PoleKing

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Re: Van broke part 2
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2014, 10:16:44 pm »
But the van sometimes doesnt start so wouldnt that rule out any turbo problems?

No mate, that was exactly my issue.
Wouldn't wanna start-especially when cold.
Colder the morning-the harder to start.
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deeege

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Re: Van broke part 2
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2014, 10:40:49 pm »
Take it to a garage?
"....and it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink, and mother wake me early in the morning."

Spruce

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Re: Van broke part 2
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2014, 10:50:48 pm »
Change the fuel filter and then see what happens. Don't worry about it until you have done it.

I make a point of replacing the fuel filter every second service (every 2 years) even although the fuel filter has only been in the van for 7k.

I also change the airfilter every 3 years regardless of it's condition.

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dave0123

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Re: Van broke part 2
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2014, 10:56:43 pm »
Quote
I make a point of replacing the fuel filter every second service (every 2 years) even although the fuel filter has only been in the van for 7k.

I also change the airfilter every 3 years regardless of it's condition.


+ 1

I also change the the oil and filter every 7-8k regardless of what the manual's recommend. .. it really is worth doing!
Dave.

Spruce

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Re: Van broke part 2
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2014, 11:06:20 pm »
Quote
I make a point of replacing the fuel filter every second service (every 2 years) even although the fuel filter has only been in the van for 7k.

I also change the airfilter every 3 years regardless of it's condition.


+ 1

I also change the the oil and filter every 7-8k regardless of what the manual's recommend. .. it really is worth doing!

I'm glad someone else also agrees.  :)

It seems that the local garages never bother with these filters for some reason. Maybe it makes the cost of the service lower which makes them look better in the customer's perception, who knows.
I've also seen replacement filters charged for but not changed. Most owners will spot if the spin on oil filter hasn't been changed at a service, but most of us wouldn't check a fuel filter and/or airfilter.
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dave0123

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Re: Van broke part 2
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2014, 11:14:38 pm »
Quote
It seems that the local garages never bother with these filters for some reason. Maybe it makes the cost of the service lower which makes them look better in the customer's perception, who knows.
I've also seen replacement filters charged for but not changed. Most owners will spot if the spin on oil filter hasn't been changed at a service, but most of us wouldn't check a fuel filter and/or airfilter.

I agree bet there's a lot out there who say they have changed them but i bet they haven't! I certainly no they don't put enough oil in they just put enough in from past experience just to get the oil light off lol


You may as well just do it your self its fairly simple job to change the oil and filter/fuel etc etc
Dave.

H20cleaning

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Re: Van broke part 2
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2014, 08:01:03 am »
The fuel filter hasnt been changed for at least 20 thousand miles!
I have owned the van and never had one put on( because im clueless)

Lee GLS

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Re: Van broke part 2
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2014, 09:04:44 am »
I didn't really read the thread properly, but you could unplug your maf sensor and see if it makes any difference.

H20cleaning

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Re: Van broke part 2
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2014, 01:00:52 pm »
Took it to a specialist diesel garage and he said straight away yep it will be an injector problem, i have one in already for the same thing.
The worst news was the fact he cant do anything until tuesday, wich now means i cant work at all until its fixed... And tbh i dont even tthink i have that kind of cash to fix it!

Is there an easy was to way to make a temporary trolly system? Then i could lend my dads Spare car!

KLEENAWAY

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Re: Van broke part 2
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2014, 02:08:12 pm »
Took it to a specialist diesel garage and he said straight away yep it will be an injector problem, i have one in already for the same thing.
The worst news was the fact he cant do anything until tuesday, wich now means i cant work at all until its fixed... And tbh i dont even tthink i have that kind of cash to fix it!

Is there an easy was to way to make a temporary trolly system? Then i could lend my dads Spare car!

Have they run a diagnostics check on it to tell you exactly what's wrong with it? What is he doing, replacing 1 injector? How much have they quoted? Replacing an injector isn't that hard (as long as its not seized, then you could be in the poo), you just have to have it recoded

Danny

Don Kee

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Re: Van broke part 2
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2014, 02:23:07 pm »
What car has your dad got?
Take your pump, controller, battery out the van and put the pump & controller on a board to mount it
Put as many 25 litre barrels of pure that the car can take without killing it
The inlet to the pump goes into the barrels (if you split it you can draw from 2)
Then use your hose reel as normal after the pump
Quick bodge job for a car mount, but keeps you working if cant afford to fix your van

Either that or trad your work
Why don't you have a quick google before making stupid comments?

alfie11

Re: Van broke part 2
« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2014, 02:33:05 pm »
had the same problems with my old vivaro, loss of power etc, I changed the air flow meter and crankshaft sensor and fuel filter and it was fine.

If I was you I would change the fuel filter first  then open the old one up, If you have metal filings in there then your fuel pump is on the way out. (common problem with those pumps) If there is metal in your filter all your injectors will need replacing as well as pump, cheaper to get another engine or another van.

Smudger

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Re: Van broke part 2
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2014, 04:59:02 pm »
We had injectors affected on our maxus a year or two ago, we manged to get refurbished ones fitted for a fraction of the price of new ones, in case this might be an option for you to help keep your cost down a bit - or look on ebay to see if you can find some and ask your local mechanic the price to fit them? Just some other options?

Mrs Smudger
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H20cleaning

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Re: Van broke part 2
« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2014, 05:46:08 pm »
Its already had injector one replaced a few years ago, so that could
Means its another one of the injectors.
He deals with traffics and vivaro small the time and he was almost 100%sure it was an injector, but he said he will run some checks and give me a call with the bad news.

How much should i be expecting for a injector removed fitted etc? I know the parts usually £180 ish...

H20cleaning

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Re: Van broke part 2
« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2014, 05:46:48 pm »
My dads made me a trolly mount today just need some barrels asap!!!

C o z y

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Re: Van broke part 2
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2014, 05:53:30 pm »
Sets on Fleabay mate, singles too. (injectors)
No still don't understand, I must be thick

H20cleaning

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Re: Van broke part 2
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2014, 06:01:23 pm »
Sets on Fleabay mate, singles too. (injectors)
The Renault specialist maltech is going to give me the good or bad news... If it is an injector would you suggest buying my own injectors and letting him for them?
How much should i be expecting if its just one injector with labor etc