[j timms]

Each to their own but sounds like you lack confidence in WFP

Maybe I'd take no notice of some spotty youth in tesco when choosing a toaster,

But yes, when buying high end  electrical  items or digital cameras I go to a specialist retailer and seek advice.

Darran

lol window cleaning is hardly high end. I don't think many people need advice on what cleans there windows best , generally they just look. 

[Fin Clearview]

I was at a custies once when his son turned up and said he'd recently sacked his wfp WC. I asked why and he said because he was there 18mins for £30. I asked him if his windows were clean though and he said well yes. Customers - you'll never work them all out.

[8weekly]

Each to their own but sounds like you lack confidence in WFP

Maybe I'd take no notice of some spotty youth in tesco when choosing a toaster,

But yes, when buying high end  electrical  items or digital cameras I go to a specialist retailer and seek advice.

Darran

lol window cleaning is hardly high end. I don't think many people need advice on what cleans there windows best , generally they just look. 

You spend enough time trying to tell us.  

[rosskesava]

I think what it comes down in some customers eyes is that they think of a window cleaner as using a mop and squeegee to clean their windows.

To those customers, whether or not it does a better job than wfp is irrelevant.

To other customers, who have had experience of slap and dash wfp windies, it's no wonder they prefer trad.

[j timms]

At the end of the day we all have our own opinions . To be honest I genuinely think both methods have their uses. It just gets my back up a bit when people continuously slate trad on here. Everyone's work requires an approach that suits them and their customers whether that be wfp or trad. Yes I do lack confidence with wfp on some jobs the same as I lack confidence with trad on others , which is why I implement which ever technique I think is best on certain jobs. Anyway I think I've made my point and I totally respect other peoples views on the subject. Good luck everyone

[Jonny 87]

At the end of the day we all have our own opinions . To be honest I genuinely think both methods have their uses. It just gets my back up a bit when people continuously slate trad on here. Everyone's work requires an approach that suits them and their customers whether that be wfp or trad. Yes I do lack confidence with wfp on some jobs the same as I lack confidence with trad on others , which is why I implement which ever technique I think is best on certain jobs. Anyway I think I've made my point and I totally respect other peoples views on the subject. Good luck everyone

What kind of WFP equipment do you have mate?

Only reason I ask is because majority of people I find who try WFP but struggle to get on with it are using a backpack and barrel set up, this then means they try to save water by using a very low flow rate and they get poor results. That and they also use a pole like a bendy fibrglass whip and struggle to get accuracy on the glass.

[SeanK]

At the end of the day we all have our own opinions . To be honest I genuinely think both methods have their uses. It just gets my back up a bit when people continuously slate trad on here. Everyone's work requires an approach that suits them and their customers whether that be wfp or trad. Yes I do lack confidence with wfp on some jobs the same as I lack confidence with trad on others , which is why I implement which ever technique I think is best on certain jobs. Anyway I think I've made my point and I totally respect other peoples views on the subject. Good luck everyone

What kind of WFP equipment do you have mate?

Only reason I ask is because majority of people I find who try WFP but struggle to get on with it are using a backpack and barrel set up, this then means they try to save water by using a very low flow rate and they get poor results. That and they also use a pole like a bendy fibrglass whip and struggle to get accuracy on the glass.

The majority of people who struggle with WFP do so because they are unfortunate to live and work in an area where they have a lot
of problem frames.
I have properties where its impossible to do a bad job with wfp I used to have properties where no matter what I tried they
never came up perfect, dirty runs everywhere
My choice was to trad them or dump and replace with more wfp acceptable properties, I decided on the second option because I was
slow at traditional cleaning and didn't want to work from a ladder.
J trimms I fully understand where your coming from.

[gary999]

At the end of the day we all have our own opinions . To be honest I genuinely think both methods have their uses. It just gets my back up a bit when people continuously slate trad on here. Everyone's work requires an approach that suits them and their customers whether that be wfp or trad. Yes I do lack confidence with wfp on some jobs the same as I lack confidence with trad on others , which is why I implement which ever technique I think is best on certain jobs. Anyway I think I've made my point and I totally respect other peoples views on the subject. Good luck everyone

What kind of WFP equipment do you have mate?

Only reason I ask is because majority of people I find who try WFP but struggle to get on with it are using a backpack and barrel set up, this then means they try to save water by using a very low flow rate and they get poor results. That and they also use a pole like a bendy fibrglass whip and struggle to get accuracy on the glass.

So what is your explanation for his lack in confidence in trad on certain jobs

I think the chap was trying to say that he uses whichever method suits
the occasion

[G Griffin]

The real difference between trad and wfp-apart from customers not liking change- is the pole. It's easier to clean by hand a lot of the time.
But it's also more dangerous and slower.

[philip.parkin@talk21.com]

This whole trad vs WFP thing to me is like the whole hand tools, power tools argument.  Each method has its pros and cons. Its up to us as skilled professionals to decide whether a job is suited to whichever method we choose to use and also take into consideration our own skill and expertise to deliver the best result.

Phil

[Smudger]

Phil, as mr timms has stated were not professional we're just window cleaners

Hey ho

[Bungle]

hey mick I suggest you should try going door to door selling fish.believe me! You can really make a lot of money

Ahh, but will the fish still be wet?

[David Budden]

I would go through all your CP accounts and see if you can spot the trad cleaner. (he'll be the one with the mondeo, new bucket once a year and scrims in his business expenses).

and not be wasting gallons of water and paying for electric and resin etc to go to work

people moan about us traddys and h&s but what if the eco warriors knew how much water you guys waste in production and doing the job compared to my couple of buckets full

[PoleKing]

I would go through all your CP accounts and see if you can spot the trad cleaner. (he'll be the one with the mondeo, new bucket once a year and scrims in his business expenses).

and not be wasting gallons of water and paying for electric and resin etc to go to work

people moan about us traddys and h&s but what if the eco warriors knew how much water you guys waste in production and doing the job compared to my couple of buckets full

Not a single drop of mine is wasted.
All the 'waste' goes on my lawns.
#BestLawnOnTheStreet. 

[David Budden]

Seriously I have been trad for 23 years but recently tried a bit of stick waggling
now I have a backpack set up for awkward windows and can see the benefits of both
tradding isn't really that slow if you are experienced and some jobs were made for tradding but wfp can save you breaking your neck on some dodgy jobs

[Wc Solutions]

the results the same! clean windows, happy customers and a healthy bank balance!

I for one am happy doing either but am more happy with my feet on the floor!

wfp cleans the frames up much better and customers windows stay cleaner for a bit longer between cleans.

wfp is responsible for a massive amount of new wc's in the last 10 yrs due to not being put off regards ladders etc.

for a solo trader its a lot safer with wfp - eg fall off a ladder in a back garden and crack your head on the floor, you could be there all day on the floor.

commercial wise - a tonne of sites will not even let ladders on site

[Jonny 87]

I would go through all your CP accounts and see if you can spot the trad cleaner. (he'll be the one with the mondeo, new bucket once a year and scrims in his business expenses).

and not be wasting gallons of water and paying for electric and resin etc to go to work

people moan about us traddys and h&s but what if the eco warriors knew how much water you guys waste in production and doing the job compared to my couple of buckets full

Yip. The world is definitely running out if water. Better not run your bath for too long either! Or only have one cuppa a day.

And yet there is EXACTLY the same amount of water on the earth than there was 1000 years ago. What kind of witchcraft is this??

[David Budden]

 

I would go through all your CP accounts and see if you can spot the trad cleaner. (he'll be the one with the mondeo, new bucket once a year and scrims in his business expenses).

and not be wasting gallons of water and paying for electric and resin etc to go to work

people moan about us traddys and h&s but what if the eco warriors knew how much water you guys waste in production and doing the job compared to my couple of buckets full

Yip. The world is definitely running out if water. Better not run your bath for too long either! Or only have one cuppa a day.

And yet there is EXACTLY the same amount of water on the earth than there was 1000 years ago. What kind of witchcraft is this??

[David Budden]

I think both have their place and don't understand some wfp guys who seem to have it in for us tradders
did the guys with cloths have it in for us when they invented squeegees?

[jimiwindows]

Good luck on here with the pole pushers david they dont like trad because most of them cant do it.