[ian harper]

Guys

I just love this stuff as it shows that cleaning is a science. sometimes people look at cleaning as some low profession. its not apart from keeping people safe from stuff like MRSA cleaning has its science side that when understood makes cleaning so much easier.

http://www.cleaning-carpet.co.uk/surfactant-hydrophobic-molecules-in-water/

respects

Ian Harper

[Simon Gerrard]

Ian's trying to boost his G+ ranking again

[*Hector*]

You don't say??   


 

[Carpet Dawg]

I would have thought Ian would have realised this but posting links on forums wont boost anything.

[Radek Jablonski]

I would have thought Ian would have realised this but posting links on forums wont boost anything.

why?

[Richard Meads]

It depends on how many follow the link, and visit his page. So we should all start posting our blogs on here 

[Carpet Dawg]

I would have thought Ian would have realised this but posting links on forums wont boost anything.

why?

why would it?

[Radek Jablonski]

I would have thought Ian would have realised this but posting links on forums wont boost anything.

why?

why would it?

why would it not? 

every backlink, mostly from the site that talks about carpet cleaning will help. He makes topic, different title, different article and google like it. Google treat it as an natural, organic builded links.
Hundreds of links from the same domain name will not help more then for eq 10. So, no need to make too many articles on the same site.

unless cleanitup site is blocking googlebots, makes a links as nonfollow etc.

[Carpet Dawg]

you've been reading 2005 seo articles.

forum links have virtually no seo benefit especially forums that google cant see 

[Mike Gwilliam]

I think personally what Ian is doing is perhaps one way to go. Trying to improve ranking via G+ may improve visibility and page rank.
Also acquiring good incoming links is also a big help but in doing so could cripple your web site as those links could become historic and become penalised in them selves.
In exposing yourself or your web site to the litany of social media, could inevitably knee jerk spammers to point a high amount of identical anchor text towards your web site which could wipe you off the face of Google for months or years to come.

Go to your webmaster tools and see how many incoming links you have that other people or spammers have added without you having added them. The more popular you are, you may see many that you have not added and that have been placed by robots.

I have one web site that is virtually hidden from spam crawlers and it ranks by far the best with no incoming links.

Also, how many web sites do you see that achieve first page number one position with virtually no back links or social media links.
There are plenty of them and there is a reason for it.

[Radek Jablonski]

you've been reading 2005 seo articles.

forum links have virtually no seo benefit especially forums that google cant see 

The funny is that all the old rules are still working. We are positioning regionally, not for the top ten heavy competition.
There is a lot of talking about google.still changine their algorythms, best way to posision the website, all to keep people afraid and to hire profesionals.

[ian harper]

Guys

So are you saying that G+ has value?

interesting question as one point is that this forum has a wall from google unlike Nick's that gets listed on google. when you dig deeper Nick may promote his stuff on his forum but this one has adverts and you have to ask if the advertisers get real value from a forum that's got a wall against one that gets listed on google?

So given the above whats my motivation for posting links here? its called sharing and the number one rule with sharing is always have you content in a place that gives it the best value. and with a wall its not here. but that does not stop anyone posting behind a wall.

even G+ and social in general does not have much influence  in seo, why would google give rank to social sites that can put a wall up at any time and wipe out all their work? links are still the main rank factor but its where they come from with other factors that get real results.

Maybe I just love sharing

Respects

Ian

[Radek Jablonski]

googlebot is visiting the forum as a guest, if forum is not visible for guest then also not for googlebot
when you type:
site:www.cleantalk.co.uk
I can see around 21 600 links
when site:www.cleanitup.co.uk
only around  3 590 links (probably indexed by google before they closed the forum for guests)

[Carpet Dawg]

googlebot is visiting the forum as a guest, if forum is not visible for guest then also not for googlebot

the penny has dropped Radek 

It doesn't really matter how many links cleantalk has, which forum is more popular and has more traffic?

[Ian Gourlay]

Hi Ian H

I was going to contact you anyway.

As you have a Riso like mine and I like experimenting with Leaflets but got stuck in JP type leaflet I wonder if you would be kind enough to send me some of your Riso Leaflets

Also if anyone else users Riso I would appreciate their stuff. As we are all non competing we could perhaps share success stories or otherwise if we use them
Regards Ian G  iangourlay@yahoo.co.uk 

 Although I do not think it will help I might as well plug my Web Sites www.carpetmedic-norfolk.co.uk, and www.ideal-blinds.co.uk

Does it work plugging them on Face Book 

[Radek Jablonski]

if we compare cleantalk to the only carpet cleaning section on cleanitup then I would say that cleantalk is much better, i mean google like it better. There is much more post a day then here.
If you check the page rank then CT has PR2 CIT has just PR1
CT is more friendly to google also due to the construction of the links, seo friendly links. has bigger backlinks rank.
I can see CT on the first position in google when you are looking for carpet cleaning forum uk and similar
In my opinion CT is winning all the way, can get more users (carpet cleaners) what is visible, and if not a fact that this is sales platform everyone would be there.

the penny has dropped Radek

yep, before I did not checked the forum seo situation

[Ian Gourlay]

Well thats a shame have not been to Cleantalk for years but we were always winning.

Could be I posted to often

[Carpet Dawg]

details Radek! Details!!

I said which forum is more popular and has more traffic i.e. which is busier? Just had a look at their carpet cleaning section and to be honest it doesn't look any busier than here.

CT 4,100 members. CIU 28,860. That's what you call an arse kicking. I wont even mention the post count and topics count.


Look at the global rank man!!

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cleanitup.co.uk

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cleantalk.co.uk

Look at the bounce rate! look at the time on site and impressions man!! 

That's what matters, not one extra link here or there. Or "seo friendly links", what the feck does that mean anyway? one minute its "friendly" next month it wont be. One extra PR point doesn't put meat on the table.

[Radek Jablonski]

Carpet dawg, yes you are right but.....
not much reading over there even when I can, but when I was there I remember there was much more happening on their forum then in this section of this forum (not talking about quality of the conversation). Alfer quick look CT looks quiet now also but this section of CIU is quiet all the time. If we have 5-8 new topics a day then its a sucess.
people registering here but the amount can not be visible, you need to register to read it to even see the forum, CT you can see and read a bit before you decide to join and post there. Becouse this forum is not visible to the guests people register first on CT.  For some reason can not see new faces here becoming regular posters.
CIU is winning only becouse CT is a sales platform and it is amazing that it keeps that many people there even users know it.

[garry22]

I saw something the other day where someone was dropping a million links per day and still did not get a penalty (because they gave G what they want)!