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pdale

  • Posts: 283
Re: window cleaning canvassing available
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2014, 12:24:57 am »
Thanks for the positive comments, didn't realise I was so popular :) I have a good client base here, along with others, from which to build from.
Where am I knocking today?

colley614

  • Posts: 1557
Re: window cleaning canvassing available
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2014, 10:18:14 am »
Buddy I understand your frustration but this is not really the canvassers issue. If you don't go out collecting, doesn't matter how you get the work, I've always found that without collecting you will always be owed 20% of your income from new customers. I used to do first cleans which seemed to have little to no trouble paying but at second clean I used to find about 20% would either drag their heels over the payment or would just not pay. If I was still owed money for a clean the next time they were due, it wouldn't get done. I found a lot would come straight out and pay once they had seen you. When building a round you have to separate the wheat from the chaff buddy.

Don't let this get you down, this is a positive you have 80-90 good custards on your books from this canvasser, if I was you I'd be begging him to come back and do it again.

Jack Harris

  • Posts: 256
Re: window cleaning canvassing available
« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2014, 01:02:33 pm »
Buddy I understand your frustration but this is not really the canvassers issue. If you don't go out collecting, doesn't matter how you get the work, I've always found that without collecting you will always be owed 20% of your income from new customers. I used to do first cleans which seemed to have little to no trouble paying but at second clean I used to find about 20% would either drag their heels over the payment or would just not pay. If I was still owed money for a clean the next time they were due, it wouldn't get done. I found a lot would come straight out and pay once they had seen you. When building a round you have to separate the wheat from the chaff buddy.

Don't let this get you down, this is a positive you have 80-90 good custards on your books from this canvasser, if I was you I'd be begging him to come back and do it again.

+1

Colin h

  • Posts: 90
Re: window cleaning canvassing available
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2014, 03:31:15 pm »
I spent just over 2 grand,and have just over £500 of work.
I didn't have any drop out because of bad work.im not here
To slate anyone.if the op really needs work quick it's the way
To go.but it cost a lot for not much work

pdale

  • Posts: 283
Re: window cleaning canvassing available
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2014, 04:57:11 pm »
Colin, if you are going to quote figuresI left lets quote EXACT figures.

I left you with £1106 worth of work. Charged for £1,000 of it, leaving £106 free of charge.

The following month you sent me back done some cancellations which was £112.50 over the 10% leeway. I didn't even quibble over this despite at least one of them telling you they were not pleased with your job. Others here will testify and I said the same to you that if it means me coming down for a day to top up there is no issue, at that time I didn't even phone them.

This meant the second month you cleared £887.50 worth of work. As near as dammit you cleared £2000 after 2 cleans, had you collected the late payers. The only issue I had was when 2 days later you sent me £221.50 of so called non payers you wanted replacing. Even though this work was around 3-4 weeks late in paying and hadnt been phoned to see why they weren't paying, half them hadn't even had one reminder text. I am assuming you have dropped these off your list.

This led me to phone five of them, one of them had actually paid on the day! Why is it my job to chase this second clean money. I sent 15 back saying it's your job to at least try to get paid with a text or preferably phone call.

This led me to phone others of the original 112.50 you wanted replacing, quite a number did cancel because they weren't happy with your service, eg left streaks, cleaned in the rain (it was heavy rain if I recall).At the time we were discussing the so called non payers, so didn't mention these others.

You told me yourself you have issues with retention with your own work. IMO I think it's because you were lorry driving and had an employee doing most of the work. You are not hands on with your window cleaning and treat it as a second income. Window cleaners need to be on the ball with each and every customer to gain a good retention rate. The fact of the matter is you don't know why these cancelled or were late in paying as you never phoned them, I did phone some, not all.

In any event had you attempted to collect this money you would have broke  even the second clean, that's even with cancellations of which many were because the customers were unhappy. I would also assume you have had walk ups in the areas canvassed, phone calls off leaflets handed out and one or two gutter cleans.

It is a shame when things don't work out and that disputes become public, however part of my canvassing service is not chasing online payments nor to replace work from poor jobs. That said if I have to come down for a day the following I have no issues and tend not to even phone to check. The only time I do check on cancellations is when im given a large amount as in your case, as it's obvious something, somewhere has gone wrong.
Where am I knocking today?

Colin h

  • Posts: 90
Re: window cleaning canvassing available
« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2014, 07:52:05 pm »
The guy that started this thread asked people's opinion,I gave
Mine and I stand by what I have said.

CleanClear

  • Posts: 14717
Re: window cleaning canvassing available
« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2014, 12:44:38 am »
I spent just over 2 grand,and have just over £500 of work.
I didn't have any drop out because of bad work.im not here
To slate anyone.if the op really needs work quick it's the way
To go.but it cost a lot for not much work

How much did it cost you to actually clean the work Col, if you're employing someone to do it ?
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Colin h

  • Posts: 90
Re: window cleaning canvassing available
« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2014, 07:07:41 am »
I cleaned most of it,our employe did couple days on the first
Cleans.

tlwcs

  • Posts: 2088
Re: window cleaning canvassing available
« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2014, 04:20:41 pm »
Colin, if you are going to quote figuresI left lets quote EXACT figures.

I left you with £1106 worth of work. Charged for £1,000 of it, leaving £106 free of charge.

The following month you sent me back done some cancellations which was £112.50 over the 10% leeway. I didn't even quibble over this despite at least one of them telling you they were not pleased with your job. Others here will testify and I said the same to you that if it means me coming down for a day to top up there is no issue, at that time I didn't even phone them.

This meant the second month you cleared £887.50 worth of work. As near as dammit you cleared £2000 after 2 cleans, had you collected the late payers. The only issue I had was when 2 days later you sent me £221.50 of so called non payers you wanted replacing. Even though this work was around 3-4 weeks late in paying and hadnt been phoned to see why they weren't paying, half them hadn't even had one reminder text. I am assuming you have dropped these off your list.

This led me to phone five of them, one of them had actually paid on the day! Why is it my job to chase this second clean money. I sent 15 back saying it's your job to at least try to get paid with a text or preferably phone call.

This led me to phone others of the original 112.50 you wanted replacing, quite a number did cancel because they weren't happy with your service, eg left streaks, cleaned in the rain (it was heavy rain if I recall).At the time we were discussing the so called non payers, so didn't mention these others.

You told me yourself you have issues with retention with your own work. IMO I think it's because you were lorry driving and had an employee doing most of the work. You are not hands on with your window cleaning and treat it as a second income. Window cleaners need to be on the ball with each and every customer to gain a good retention rate. The fact of the matter is you don't know why these cancelled or were late in paying as you never phoned them, I did phone some, not all.

In any event had you attempted to collect this money you would have broke  even the second clean, that's even with cancellations of which many were because the customers were unhappy. I would also assume you have had walk ups in the areas canvassed, phone calls off leaflets handed out and one or two gutter cleans.

It is a shame when things don't work out and that disputes become public, however part of my canvassing service is not chasing online payments nor to replace work from poor jobs. That said if I have to come down for a day the following I have no issues and tend not to even phone to check. The only time I do check on cancellations is when im given a large amount as in your case, as it's obvious something, somewhere has gone wrong.

Good reply.
I have a full round and have never used a canvasser but you seem like an honest guy.
Tony

Suffolkcleaners

  • Posts: 748
Re: window cleaning canvassing available
« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2014, 10:22:41 pm »
Paul, do u canvass in the Suffolk area?

pdale

  • Posts: 283
Re: window cleaning canvassing available
« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2014, 11:49:07 am »
Quote from: Suffolkcleaners
Paul, do u canvass in the Suffolk area?

No I don't unfortunately, it's a little out of my radius.
Where am I knocking today?

pdale

  • Posts: 283
Re: window cleaning canvassing available
« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2014, 11:50:29 am »
Quote from: Tony789
Good reply.
I have a full round and have never used a canvasser but you seem like an honest guy.
Tony

Thanks Tony, it's nice to see a number of past and current clients provide some positive comments about my canvassing.
Where am I knocking today?

Ian101

  • Posts: 7887
Re: window cleaning canvassing available
« Reply #32 on: June 14, 2014, 04:24:43 pm »
I nearly hired you and think you would be a top canvasser ..... who knows next year I may nearly hire you again  ;D ;D

Do I have to pay another deposit  ;D

pdale

  • Posts: 283
Re: window cleaning canvassing available
« Reply #33 on: June 14, 2014, 09:06:48 pm »
Yes you do, even more so if it's going to be a nearly again  ;D

I thought you were giving up on the windows?
Where am I knocking today?

Colin h

  • Posts: 90
Re: window cleaning canvassing available
« Reply #34 on: June 15, 2014, 04:34:13 pm »
Another 2 custys bite the dust

Ian101

  • Posts: 7887
Re: window cleaning canvassing available
« Reply #35 on: June 15, 2014, 05:44:08 pm »
Another 2 custys bite the dust

Not read all the thread but can see your upset ... if you yourself had canvassed say 100 customers how many would still be in place ?

Clever Forum Name

  • Posts: 5942
Re: window cleaning canvassing available
« Reply #36 on: June 15, 2014, 06:00:32 pm »
Another 2 custys bite the dust

Sod being a customer of yours if they are dying two at a time.

Colin h

  • Posts: 90
Re: window cleaning canvassing available
« Reply #37 on: June 15, 2014, 06:18:11 pm »
Ian I would say half.im not upset ian with paul.the person that
Started the thread needs to know you will only end up
With half what a door says,that maybe 3-6 months down the
Line but it will happen.

Clever Forum Name

  • Posts: 5942
Re: window cleaning canvassing available
« Reply #38 on: June 15, 2014, 06:26:06 pm »
Ian I would say half.im not upset ian with paul.the person that
Started the thread needs to know you will only end up
With half what a door says,that maybe 3-6 months down the
Line but it will happen.

That's your opinion. Not fact. My new round is worth £700 more than when Paul left me. That's due to people walking up. Customers telling potential customers etc etc


ashbash

Re: window cleaning canvassing available
« Reply #39 on: June 15, 2014, 06:45:41 pm »
Paul do you cover somerset