[stuart_clark]

Altec had an offer of free delivery over the easter weekend, I bought some ultimate master and some powdered rinse, I had forgoton how good ultimate master is! Although you have to rinse the pump out after every clean to be on the safe side, but its a fantastic extraction chemical, I started using this stuff in 1993 and it has not gone up in price that much in 21 years! Lol I think back then it was £30 plius vat for 10kg and now its only £42   the first small job payed for it in one go, it disolves so quickly in the bucket and you dont need defoamer as it suppresees any foam and has a nice lemon fragrence
It will probably make me in exess of £9000 for one 10kg bucket ! Good return or what ?

Stuart

[Ian Gourlay]

Hi Stuart

Not knocking the product but I do find to be on safe side I need deformer. 

[stuart_clark]

Ian

thats one of the reasons I always bought it, it never foamed up unlike a lot of other chems I use like Chemspec and Prochem, are you putting too much in ? Its generally 50gm scoop to 30 litres which is hardly anything compared to say chemspec oneclean or formula 90 which does foam up quite a bit

stuart

[benny d]

I always use Ultimate Master.
But I would say always use a defoamer as you do not know what is in the carpets. I still get lots of foam on a lot of jobs I do. Without the defoamer, I would have blown my machine up many a time.

[Dave_Lee]

Ive used UM for years and years, first in portables and for the last 11 years in my TM. Ive never used de-foamer and everything is always clean as a whistle, no jet or chemical pump blockages at all, a brilliant product that works!
Last year I ordered another extraction product from another supplier, which i have also been very happy with, I thought I'd try it again, after not bothering with it for a few years. I didn't bother to ask the price. Wow, I was gobsmacked when the invoice arrived, more than twice the price of UM.
Dave.

[stuart_clark]

Dave

you realy cant go far wrong at that price £40 plus vat,  compared to say Chemspec £60 for the same ammount and you use four times as much, dont get me wrong I love Chemspec products and have used them for over 15 yesrs, but generally you would dilute 6 scoops to 60 litres of chemspec product and one scopp of Ultimate master to the same ammount of water

stuart

[clive ware]

Shh. Stuart - dont tell everyone or they might start buying it and push the price up!!
I`ve been using it for ages. Not sure how people are getting foamed up though, I find it the least foamy detergent of the lot!

[Mike Halliday]

Stuart what chemspec product are you comparing it too,  which requires 4 times as much.

Comparing it to f90 powder which dilutes  28/56g to 20L water,  U/M dilutes  50g per 25 litres of warm water

F90 seems to be more economical although I would guess it is slightly more expensive

[DB]

I have to ask....Does it really matter how expensive a cleaning product is?

Does it work....that's the most important thing

Stuart says.....1 tub will earn him £9,000.....would you really call his product expensive with a financial return like that?
There are many good products out there with similar returns

I find that the cost of cleaning chemicals is the least of my concerns....whatever product you select to purchase ...look at the dilution rates...look at the result you get from using it....

The same applies when buying a piece of equipment....price is secondary....look at how it can save or earn you money over the following few years.

[Shaun_Ashmore]

We're all conscious of prices it's our bottom line, but cleaning chemical is the cheapest of our outgoings I spend more on fuel by a long way, but horses aren't cheap to keep!(neither is the wife)

Shaun

[clive ware]

Nor mine!!

[steve prince]

So which product would be more suited for a tm ? Or should I just use the heat and acid rinse

[DB]

Whatever suits you Sir....just follow the basic rules

[COLIN BRIGHT]

i thought everyone used a bleach prespray (neat of course) and rinsed with stardrops

or it that just me?

[Jamie Pearson]

Not just you Colin. The Mexican guy I worked with in Orlando when on my hols did the exact same.

Here is a pic of his van I had spotted earlier that week.



It had a nice 25hp Honda powered machine in there with a Titanium wand etc.

Shame his chemicals were all from Home Depot/Lowes!

[stuart_clark]

Mike

Chemspec state on the reverse side of a tub of one clean, one of there scoops to ten litres of warm water , this actually weighs in at 56gms inc the plastic scoop, which weighs 7gms, so say 49gms per ten litres of mixed solution! My scorpion holds 60 litres of water = 294 gms of powder
ultimate master states that you use a 50gm scoop to 30 litres of warm water!  The 100gm plastic scoop supplied in the ultimate master weighs in at 12gms so do the maths? 3.34 times stronger than the chemspec equivellent and at a fraction of the cost of the chemspec

dont get me wrong I aint knocking Chemspec, I use a hell of a lot of it ! Ask JK and ive been using it for more than fifteen years but as Shaun rightly said we all have to look at ways of saving money


I diddn't start this thread because ultimate master was so economical or to diss chemspec, its just I haddn't used ultimate master in quite a few years and it was a pleasent supprise when I started using it again last week, it also saves on the cost of de foamer as I do tend to get through a few gallons a month

Stuart
stuart