[CleanerCarpets]

I run a Scorpion at the moment but looking to get a triple vac Airflex, I am due a change and out of the Enforcer and Airflex the Airflex suits my way of working better I think.

Just wondering if anyone has used both?

Looking at the internals of my Scorpion, the vacs seem to be strangled by the 3 hoses that go to the dirty tank. On the Airflex there is just one bigger bore vac stack in the tank and then no hoses on the vacs, they all combine their pull down that one stack and into a void under the tank and have big bore short venting hose.

To me that means less friction and more airflow  - just wondered if anyone has used both and noticed a difference?

[Radek Jablonski]

Think there is more to consider then airflow with will be very the same. Would I say 5cfm difference make a different on your job? Do not think so.
Would not consider/compare airflow in this situation.

[CleanerCarpets]

Its not airflow I am considering as the reason to change, its the all out design - proper buttons for a start! and superb access to the motors and pump - something I see as very much something to consider

What machine do you run? Are you a Jag owner?

[Andrew@Approved Carpet Cleaning]

On my second Airflex, only changed as one with a bigger pump came available at a good price. Have changed vac brushes on both machines, once on my first machine as as they were getting low after 2 years. And on the second machine , one vac packed up at a customers house, had a spare set of brushes in the van, changed them in 15 mins, back up and running, job done. So basically they are dead easy to work on and repair. But, they are the only machines I have worked on so can't compare to other makes and models.

[CleanerCarpets]

Thanks Andrew, having access to the inners like that looks such a good design

[stuart_clark]

I know what you mean, I serviced the pump on one of my Scorpions on saterday and it took well over and hour to change over ! Not the easiest machine to work on

stuart

[Robin Ray]

I have an a Airflex also and can vouch for the quality of the machine. If need be you can take the whole vacuum mounting plate out of the machine to work on it. For a big machine its really easy to maneuver too as because of the larger rear wheels. The only weak point in the whole machine is the lid, imo, if it is not seated just right sometimes it can leak a little air into the waste tank.

Rob

[CleanerCarpets]

Hi Robin - I had heard that but I thought it had been fixed with new mods?

[Richard Cole]

I've had two Airflex's, the Pro 130psi twin vac when i first started 4 years ago, had machine 1 year before upgrading, no problems with waste lid. My second Airflex is the Storm again no problems with waste lid, had this machine two years now. I always check when connecting vac hose that lid is sitting correctly, common sense really.

[Robin Ray]

Hi Robin - I had heard that but I thought it had been fixed with new mods?

I have only had mine since January. I wouldn't let it put you off though, its not a problem once you know about it.

[Radek Jablonski]

What machine do you run? Are you a Jag owner?

I have a scorpion but not in use, sitting in the shed in case I will need it as a back up.
Was using scorpion for few monts only and can not recommend it at all, smelly bad looking machine. Also do not fancy the buttons on the bottom of the machine.

[CleanerCarpets]

i agree about the buttons - why on earth the Jag was developed in the same way is beyond me - the toggle switches are pants and let a good machine down

i also agree that my first impression when i saw the Scorpion (when i used an Alltec Advance beforehand) was disappointing

i had heard so many good things that when i saw it in the flesh it was a let down

however, in use it is an excellent, reliable machine and has served me very, very well. Its no looker, but performance wise it cuts it

like i say, i dont understand why the Jag wasnt a better step up from the Scorpion

[john martin]

i agree about the buttons - why on earth the Jag was developed in the same way is beyond me - the toggle switches are pants and let a good machine down

i also agree that my first impression when i saw the Scorpion (when i used an Alltec Advance beforehand) was disappointing

i had heard so many good things that when i saw it in the flesh it was a let down

however, in use it is an excellent, reliable machine and has served me very, very well. Its no looker, but performance wise it cuts it

like i say, i dont understand why the Jag wasnt a better step up from the Scorpion

It was more likely to do with the USA situation  ...   three motors did not work as well at 120v ,  the third motor was a two stage so it leaked suction on the two 1400w three stage .
Mytee brought out the M5 with two electros and pumpout as standard , in order to compete with that they had to copy that setup ...   three motors used two much current for that spec at 120v .
 
Edit .  Im not sure if that was you your point i answered , i meant why go from three to two , perhaps you meant quality wise .

[CleanerCarpets]

if thats right John then its simple - you can't base a UK machine on USA electrics!

i think the US has a lot to offer us on development but Cleansmart, Alltec, Ashbys and a like do right in making a UK made machine and thinking outside of the US box

the Scorpion was a success as it had good performance and reliability - you can forgive its failings because of that, the Jag is another story

[john martin]

if thats right John then its simple - you can't base a UK machine on USA electrics!

i think the US has a lot to offer us on development but Cleansmart, Alltec, Ashbys and a like do right in making a UK made machine and thinking outside of the US box

the Scorpion was a success as it had good performance and reliability - you can forgive its failings because of that, the Jag is another story

Thats right ...  the high end UK machines . The Enforcer , The evolution , The Airflex . not only have set the standards in engineering and quality ...  but they are designed to optimize the use of their two 13amp cords @ 230v . with performance heat or both  .