Well Jennifer I think you may, unintentionally, have identified the difference between the "it'll do" cc's and the "do it right" cc's. Whilst I'm sure you rate your two, soon to be retired, guys highly, to learn after eight years that they only use one solution, at different ratio's, and "it seems to work" is, well, disappointing. If we offer a professional service I would assume we should act in a professional manner. We can all go down to an artists suppliers and purchase some brushes, but they won't make us a Rembandt. If you intend to send out your new guys with the same attitude may I suggest you increase your liability insurance? Sorry, obviously I must be one of Jasonl's "clowns". And there was I thinking investing in training & knowledge would help me achieve a higher standing with my clients and bring bigger job tickets. Then again, perhaps I should have just gone to B&Q and hired one of their RD's. Apparently they'll do just as good a job.