[Carl@Cwc]

Hi Susan,

Three reasons to consider Cleaner Planner anyway:

1. We can import from WCP which I don't think Aworka can (but I could be wrong!) bear in mind WCP has no export facility.

2. Cleaner Planner works in a similar way to WCP so you'll find the scheduling and worksheet side of things very familiar, but it's all wrapped up in a modern, easy to use interface.

3. At £15 our "Starter" package does everything WCP and Aworka does and you can run multiple vans off printed sheets. If you decide to go for "Pro" later to get SMS, GoCardless etc then it's a better deal if you do need more than one user. 2 users on Aworka = £20, 3 users = £30, 4 users = £40... On CP it's flat £25 per operator (though we may cap this for new sign-ups at some point).

Look forward to discussing your needs and walking you through the trial if you're curious - rob@cleanerplanner.com

Cheers,

Rob

I could live with 15 a month that's fine but being usless on a p.c I would have to take it to a shop to get a boffin to change it all over would a shop boffin be able to do this without any trouble ? oh and do you take 0ne off payments I don't do direct debits

I will bell the big fella 2moro and run it thru with him.

It's a good bit of kit.

totally agree with all the fanfares its getting. its the dogs dangle bits lol
it really has changed my business for the better  
no paper sheets to deal with = 1hr a day = 28 days x 1hr = £ ?
no single/multiple texting for gates and debts= at least 1/2 hr a day = x 28 days = £ ?  (its 2/3 clicks and gone for however many custies are on the schedule )
i sat on my decking on the west coast last weekend on bank holiday monday turning my steak over on the barbie with a bottle of beer in my hand ( after 8pm btw as i do not drink until after that time)  and sent the texts via Cleanerplanner and i fully intend on doing the same this week lol.
I'm using 2 cheap tablets as worksheets :http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310896516917?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
in all honesty i will buy samsung galaxy tabs next as they are not brilliant but do the job albeit slowly and clunky and i like the best kit available to do a job.

all cleaner planner has left to do is?
vehicle tracking to round and optimise.
complete payroll
answer phone
take email quotation requests to my diary
and drive vans

[PoleKing]

Hi Susan,

Three reasons to consider Cleaner Planner anyway:

1. We can import from WCP which I don't think Aworka can (but I could be wrong!) bear in mind WCP has no export facility.

2. Cleaner Planner works in a similar way to WCP so you'll find the scheduling and worksheet side of things very familiar, but it's all wrapped up in a modern, easy to use interface.

3. At £15 our "Starter" package does everything WCP and Aworka does and you can run multiple vans off printed sheets. If you decide to go for "Pro" later to get SMS, GoCardless etc then it's a better deal if you do need more than one user. 2 users on Aworka = £20, 3 users = £30, 4 users = £40... On CP it's flat £25 per operator (though we may cap this for new sign-ups at some point).

Look forward to discussing your needs and walking you through the trial if you're curious - rob@cleanerplanner.com

Cheers,

Rob

I could live with 15 a month that's fine but being usless on a p.c I would have to take it to a shop to get a boffin to change it all over would a shop boffin be able to do this without any trouble ? oh and do you take 0ne off payments I don't do direct debits

I will bell the big fella 2moro and run it thru with him.

It's a good bit of kit.

totally agree with all the fanfares its getting. its the dogs dangle bits lol
it really has changed my business for the better  
no paper sheets to deal with = 1hr a day = 28 days x 1hr = £ ?
no single/multiple texting for gates and debts= at least 1/2 hr a day = x 28 days = £ ?  (its 2/3 clicks and gone for however many custies are on the schedule )
i sat on my decking on the west coast last weekend on bank holiday monday turning my steak over on the barbie with a bottle of beer in my hand ( after 8pm btw as i do not drink until after that time)  and sent the texts via Cleanerplanner and i fully intend on doing the same this week lol.
I'm using 2 cheap tablets as worksheets :http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310896516917?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
in all honesty i will buy samsung galaxy tabs next as they are not brilliant but do the job albeit slowly and clunky and i like the best kit available to do a job.

all cleaner planner has left to do is?
vehicle tracking to round and optimise.
complete payroll
answer phone
take email quotation requests to my diary
and drive vans

Why have you got a start time on drinking?

[johnwillan]

Hi Susan,

Three reasons to consider Cleaner Planner anyway:

1. We can import from WCP which I don't think Aworka can (but I could be wrong!) bear in mind WCP has no export facility.

2. Cleaner Planner works in a similar way to WCP so you'll find the scheduling and worksheet side of things very familiar, but it's all wrapped up in a modern, easy to use interface.

3. At £15 our "Starter" package does everything WCP and Aworka does and you can run multiple vans off printed sheets. If you decide to go for "Pro" later to get SMS, GoCardless etc then it's a better deal if you do need more than one user. 2 users on Aworka = £20, 3 users = £30, 4 users = £40... On CP it's flat £25 per operator (though we may cap this for new sign-ups at some point).

Look forward to discussing your needs and walking you through the trial if you're curious - rob@cleanerplanner.com

Cheers,

Rob

Rob

In order of fairness I think you should retract your aworka comparison, your pricing model is not the same, aworka provides full access and full support to each user yours does not.

Aworka at £10 does provide multiple operator functionality in the form of rounds (similar to how George worked).


John
 

[Rob @ Cleaner Planner]

Hi John,

With the £15 starter package you get full access to all the essential scheduling features.

You don't get access to SMS, GoCardless and bulk email, but Aworka doesn't offer these at all.

Our starter package also provides multiple operator capability in the form of rounds (similar to George and Aworka).

You could run a 5 van business off the £15 package if you're happy with printed worksheets.

If you need multiple users (within one business) then you can currently add as many as you want (under one account) for a flat fee of £25 a month on the Pro package.

For that reason I believe Cleaner Planner is a better deal for the (single business) multiple operator than Aworka (3 users would be £30, 5 users would be £50).

Moreover at that price point you actually get something *more* with Cleaner Planner - time-saving features that will help you grow and optimise your business.

That all said I appreciate Aworka is currently a better fit for franchisors such as yourself.

Early days on the front but I'm currently getting input on what would work best both from a functionality and pricing point of view.

Rob

[Mike #1]

BUT you cant email invoices on the £15.00 a month package so why pay more than www.aworka.com  . Mike

[Michael Peterson]

will cleaner planner keep your history from aworker when exported ? like your earnings up till now etc,

also will it keep your rounds seperate ?

[Michael Peterson]

oh and rob, on my ipad it only views sites in there full version so would i need 3g with this device? or could i still use your offline version

[Rob @ Cleaner Planner]

M&M - True, I may tweak this a little to even things up - watch this space. Worth noting that Cleaner Planner lets you email from your business email (using your SMTP settings) so your invoices appear to come from your business rather than the software. Also there's the option to show customer balance, set custom footer text, payment terms etc.

Michael - Hi, we can't import your transactions unfortunately but that's par for the course when moving to new software. You'd need to take an export from Aworka and keep this for reference purposes. We can of course import your debts as well as your rounds, jobs, customers, schedules, last done dates, price change dates etc.

Two options for the iPad. You can use the full site over WiFi or 3G (e.g. to work from home, look up job history while out and about etc). The offline app is very much designed for use while out cleaning windows and time is money. It's simple, fast and much more minimal and task oriented. Just the info you need to get the job done, big buttons to mark jobs as done, missed paid etc.

So basically you can switch between the two depending on what you're doing

[johnwillan]

Rob

Thank you for the clarification, as I see it....

Single user: George £50 (one off payment) Aworka £10 p/m, CP £15 p/m

They all provide operators with round scheduling, expense management and mobile functionality albeit if different ways.

Multi user: CP £25 p/m unlimited users, Aworka £10 p/m per user

Quite different in functionality

CP: restricted access for all additional users, a logical extension to the single user package for those that employ and where users only require access to round scheduling

Aworka full access and support for all users, more suited to those that franchise.

No doubt given time both Aworka & CP will offer similar packages in functionality and price, support would appear to be excellent in both camps as it was and I understand still is at George.

It reminds me of when WCP emerged, lots of people could not understand why George did not suffice but for some WCP was a superior product.

I think competition is a good thing, it drives innovation and price.

I wish you both every success.

[Mike #1]

Hi Rob i much prefer i template invoice such as offered by Aworka as it means when i have finished a commercial job i can email the client immediately  using my phone before i drive to my next job. Mike

[Rob @ Cleaner Planner]

John - Thanks, yes - I think that about sums it up! Franchise support is definitely on the way though and franchisees will get full access to their own Cleaner Planner (as operators of their own business). Depending on how the franchisor plays it the franchisee would potentially be able to decide whether the Starter or Pro is best for their individual franchise. Or the franchisor could decide for them (e.g. if they emphasise SMS and GoCardless integration as key advantages of the overall franchise package). As I say I'm currently taking input on what would work best.

And just to confirm - single user does not have to mean sole trader. You can run multiple vans / rounds on the starter package if you're happy with printed sheets (same as Aworka, George and WCP).

Mike - CP uses an invoice template as well, you just have some ability to customise it (and more flexibility in the pipeline). You can print or email invoices from the debt list for work done (on your iPad over 3G while out and about if that suits), or you can prepare and print all your invoices for the day ahead in one shot with a single click of the "Print invoices" button on the worksheet before you hit the road.

[johnwillan]

Rob

Looking at this from a franchisee or single user view point i.e. no intention of employing then I will be paying an additional £15 p/m (£180 p/y) for the benefit of go cardless and text integration, in addition to which I will have a text cost of around £12 p/m (£144 p/y) (based on 15 jobs per day, 5 days per week, 46 weeks per year and 4.5p per text).

So the cost of text integration at this point would be in the region of £27 p/m (£324 p/y) is that correct?

John

[Rob @ Cleaner Planner]

Hi John,

The cost of SMS, GoCardless and Mailchimp (bulk email) integration would be an additional £15 per month compared to Aworka, yes.

However, texts are a separate cost and one you would incur regardless of the software you use.

Moreover, without SMS integration you are wasting time (and therefore money) manually sending texts or keeping your software in sync with your text provider.

The net result, I believe, is a considerable saving that scales up for multiple operators. It's hard to put a number on the saving here but Carl @ CWC kindly took a stab at it:

no single/multiple texting for gates and debts= at least 1/2 hr a day = x 28 days = £ ?  (its 2/3 clicks and gone for however many custies are on the schedule )

Depends on what £ value you put on your time?

Rob

[Michael Peterson]

How do import my data ? Thanks

[Rob @ Cleaner Planner]

Hi Michael,

Have you signed up for the trial? Either way pop your export over to me and I'll get you set up - rob@cleanerplanner.com

Rob

[supernova77]

There seems to be a lot of people criticizing Cleaner Planner without even trying it...

To me at first glance it looks very good... I've signed up to the FREE trial, once my data is imported I'm going to run Cleaner Planner alongside the current software that I use for 45 days - If I prefer Cleaner Planner (and it justifies the extra cost) I will switch to that, if I prefer to stick to my current software I will stick with that - simple!

That's what trials are for... It's best to try it before passing judgement!

Andy  

[Rob @ Cleaner Planner]

Thanks Andy - just imported your data and look forward to helping you get the most out of the trial so you can make an informed decision

[Rogue Trader]

Rob,

As a franchisor i was litertally just about to pay for the Aworka subscription for my first franchisee, it seems that according to John Willan , who i know is an aworka subscriber there are certain features that for the user/franchisee CP does not have , can you tell me what they are and also when and if they will be included in CP.

In addition i operate a multi van company. If i wanted to use CP for both my franchise network and my company how would this work.

[Rob @ Cleaner Planner]

Hi Rogue,

Pop me an email - I'm currently firming this up based on feedback and would value yours

rob@cleanerplanner.com

From a technical point of view, the key thing CP doesn't have yet is a franchisor admin screen, where you can oversee and manage franchisee accounts.

However, this shouldn't be too much work and I'm getting a lot of interest from franchisors (rather took me by surprise if I'm honest!) so this is likely something I will get in place very quickly.

Shouldn't be too much work. I already have an admin screen where I manage operator accounts, so it will basically be a case of giving franchisors access to this panel (but obviously only showing their franchisees).

Also need to give a bit of thought as to what franchisors need from reporting - again, that's where your input would come in handy

Hope to hear from you.

Rob

[p1w1]

There seems to be a lot of people criticizing Cleaner Planner without even trying it...

To me at first glance it looks very good... I've signed up to the FREE trial, once my data is imported I'm going to run Cleaner Planner alongside the current software that I use for 45 days - If I prefer Cleaner Planner (and it justifies the extra cost) I will switch to that, if I prefer to stick to my current software I will stick with that - simple!

That's what trials are for... It's best to try it before passing judgement!

Andy  

Spot on Andy