[Mike Halliday]

Does anyone use a cfr machine? I mean the true recycling version where the dirty water is filtered and re-used.

If so.... On a 3 bed house, moderate soil ( not rat nasty) how often would you change the water?

I'm thinking of making a recycling system and I'm wondering how big a water tank I would need, plus does anyone know how small  the filtration is

[Jamie Pearson]

25 microns.

I used to find that every room I needed to add 5 - 10 litres of water to deal with absorption and evaporation.

This would also keep the soil level diluted.

[Kinver_Clean]

But your 5-10 lt dirty water is being left in the carpet.

Yuk.

[Jamie Pearson]

You would be surprised.

At the end of the day you leave dirty water in the carpet anyway.

If you were to run something like Chemspec Liquid High Heat in the machine it would be encapsulated.

Its not a machine for mingers. More for the 6 monthly, annual cleans in nice houses with good quality carpets.

Remember almost 80% in what is extracted is dry soil.

[john martin]

what would it be built into ?  
I dont see the point  , water is plentiful and no one likes cleaning filters . And as mentioned  recycling is questionable  from a hygiene point of view .

[Mike Halliday]

But your 5-10 lt dirty water is being left in the carpet.

Yuk.

But all HWE leave dirty water in the carpet, unless you have 100% extraction then the disgusting water you empty into your buckets is exactly the same as the dirty water you have left in the carpet! I bet most portables will struggle to remove more than 80% of the water they spray down, so that's 20% disgusting smelly water left on the carpet

[Mike Halliday]

what would it be built into ?  
I dont see the point  , water is plentiful and no one likes cleaning filters . And as mentioned  recycling is questionable  from a hygiene point of view .

John looking at using cfr chemicals which are designed for this system, they are slightly pricey so would use less and I could use a 30gl holding tank which would cut down on space as I would not need a big fresh or dirty tank.

Really it's more about experimenting with the whole recycling idea.

[Jamie Pearson]

Use DFC as its more cost effective and wont loose detergency with each cycle (because it doesnt contain any)

[mark_roberts]

I have had two of them.

They work but the single vac machine is under powered and the bigger two vac machine is too big!!

Its a real hassle cleaning the filter mid job when required.
Not for mingers as said
You must prevac always
Still uses water just not as much

The two vac machine great for commercial upholstery

Otherwise get autofill and keep your tank.

Mark

[Shaun_Ashmore]

I guess it depends on how much water it uses compared to a standard extractor if the amount is a 50% plus saving yes I'd go ahead much less I can't see the point.

Shaun

[stuart_clark]

Sounds a bit like the Prowler to me

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Why?

The prowler didn't use re cycled water.

Shaun

[colin fitch]

Yes.Pro-station 400.
You would not change the water. Simply lift lid, inspect water level and add to it as required.

Colin.

[Derek_Walker]

I found the filters got blocked very quickly, so having to remove and clean the filters was time consuming, plus having to change the water as well. I really can't see any benefit in using a recovered water system over the normal fresh water system unless water is hard to get hold of.
Why would you want to use dirty recovered water that may have picked up contaminaton from one part of the carpet and deposit it through an uncontaminated area of carpet. I know you can use an anti microbial in the tank but why add to a carpet unnecessarily. Although it's only my opinion, I don't agree with the fact that a clear water rinse would leave as much soil in the carpet as a recycled water machine. I would rather encap and bonnet absorb the majority of soiling.

[ian harper]

Mike

its not how big but how small 35lts for CFR

next issue is foam you need to use deformer big time as you dont have ball cut out and foam will enter vacs if you dont.

about topping up on 3 bed? none. if you use good method its just rinse out

filters are not an issue if you have replacements for each job and clean out end of day.

As regards products, microspliters work really well with cfr because of the foam issue.

Mark, the new single vac is as powerful as the twin as it has the new large vac in it.

respects

[stuart_clark]

Shaun

I went out on a job a couple of years back with a local carpet cleaner that owned a prowler! He was only cleaning a low profile carpet that had been previously been pre vacked but had to stop the engine every 15 mins or so to de clog the filter, otherwise you would loose vacume

stuart

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Perhaps we have cross purposes, the cfr recycles dirty or used water where as the prowler draws clean water from a clean water tank and dumps dirty water elsewhere never to be recycled.

Shaun

[Mike Halliday]

I see there is a new CFR. Machine on the market.

http://www.amtechuk.co.uk/shop/CFR_ECO_500_Perfect_Heat_Carpet_Cleaning_Machine-pid-178.html

Gives a good explanation of the system

I quite like there 'shut out' cleaning chemical as well

http://www.amtechuk.co.uk/shop/CFR_Shut_Out_Assist_Stain_Blocker-pid-230.html

[Shaun_Ashmore]

is it worth van mounting one?

Shaun

[Mike Halliday]

Looks like it only has a single vac so don't think Leaving it in the van would be feasible, promises 95% water recovery but I think that's due to the wonder wand design  not the vac power