[Steven Butler]

Been reading through dynamall threads and it seems to good and easy to be true...could I clean a carpet using just dynamall and a floormac (no HWE)?
If so what brush/pads would I need for a floormac.
Also is dynamall suitable for domestics? If it is then it cleans, deodorises and stainguards....seems a bit too good to be true?
Any info welcome

[stuart_clark]

it depends what you mean by protection? It dosent give surface tension to the capet after its been applied ie fluid does not bead on the surface as it would after an aplication of Scotchguard or somthing similar, but the carpet will stay cleaner once Dynamall has been used to clean the carpet
if it was me I wouldn't use it in a domestic situation, but thats my personal choice, I prefere to use hwe for all domestic work and keep encap with dynamal and releasit for my comercial customers

Stuart

[Steven Butler]

Thanks for replying.
Do you think dynamall is suitable for a very long runner in an Indian restaurant?

[stuart_clark]

Again, if its greasy and its likely to be, I would use hwe and a hot Enzyme prespray

[Phil @ Extreme Clean]

Ordered some dynamall and tried on lounge and hall stairs landing came up mint I also got a minging rug and was really bad so i thought I would try it on that also and hwe if needed but dynamall done a great job dropped off with customer and she was buzzing with it.

[Simon Gerrard]

It might be suitable for some domestics but given the vast array of different carpets in all manner of conditions in the domestic market,  I think you would struggle on a lot of them. HWE is best for these as it can deal with a far wider variety of soil conditions and produce the required result.

Simon

[bennymon]

If you are going to use it it would be better to use a proper rotary rather than a floormac .

[JandS]

Why's that???

[John Kelly]

Encapsulation on domestics, Surround products.

http://www.truckmountforums.com/threads/can-you-beat-this.54755/#post-716868

[Mike Halliday]

I don't believe those photos are pure  'before and after photos' . I think they are pre-sprayed then bonneted photos.

 A soiled carpet with look that bad after you have presprayed the stains..... but the stain look horrendous  because  they are wet and have darkened.


And it would have neen interesting so see another photo 2 weeks later

[Mike Roper]

I m not knocking dynamall or pad systems as I use them myself with great results , but as Mike says you look at those carpets in a few weeks time and that badly stained area will have started to re appear. The pad clean will have removed the dirt stuck to the spills and a certain amount of the initial spilling problem but can't remove as much as HWE .
So it would look great initially but it wouldn't last, hence on that kind of job that system wouldn't be my choice.
Mike

[John Klucznik]

Before and after means just that. What it looked like before he started cleaning and then after he left?
Actually your not correct about the wet part. I have another picture where he sprayed his company name into the dirt
and made a clean mark with the letters he spelled out as the Confidence attacked the soils immediately.

 This cleaner has gone through CT6 training.

[dan paton]

when does this stuff arrive in the UK ?

[Kevin OBrien]

I Have used Dynamall and other Encaps on Domestics with good results, in saying that they were not mingers just for maint. after I have done a HWE I will contact them for a maint clean (approx 6/9 months)  using encap products.

[John Klucznik]

A truck mount wash will resoil faster then LM . Extraction chems can often leave a negative residue due to the rinses used. Encapsulation will leave a positive residue meaning it wont negatively effect the carpet. Lm is using encapsulation  is absorbing soils from the top down. When you prespray your carpet before extraction which direction do the soils go? Your washing down and then trying to put it back up. With LM( if done properly) you didnt apply enough solution to the carpet to wash the soils to the bottom like you do with an injection sprayer. I have cleaned both ways for decades and have seen LM to stay cleaner much longer. When a larger amount hits the bottom and you cant pull it all out which is often the case you will/can create a wicking issue. Most guys also don't rinse the carpet more then 1 or 2 strokes so how dirty is the water left in the carpet? It can be the same as whats in the waste tank. Now before you want to cut my head off I offer both methods and make chems for both methods. I'm just witnessing to what I have seen over the last 10 years with encap.

This is also why you get far less wicking with LM. But to address your point its not the level of soil removed that causes a rapid re soiling but the type of residue left after the cleaning. If you use an alkaline rinse with your extraction you WILL be leaving behind surfactants that are sticky and this will resoil quickly. A clear water rinse is much better. The encapsulation polymer dries to a hard shell ( think M&M) and blocks off the surfactants from being sticky so it resoils at a normal rate.

The other issue can be that the cleaner in either case removed the soils stuck to the oily binder on the fibers thus making it look clean but did not remove the binders so it resoils quickly or the spot re appears.

[John Klucznik]

when does this stuff arrive in the UK ?

It left the States over a week ago. This product was designed to be for LM but also as a pre spray for extraction. Then preferably clear water rinsed.

[Mike Halliday]

A truck mount wash will resoil faster then LM . Extraction chems can often leave a negative residue due to the rinses used. Encapsulation will leave a positive residue meaning it wont negatively effect the carpet. Lm is using encapsulation  is absorbing soils from the top down. When you prespray your carpet before extraction which direction do the soils go? Your washing down and then trying to put it back up. With LM( if done properly) you didnt apply enough solution to the carpet to wash the soils to the bottom like you do with an injection sprayer. I have cleaned both ways for decades and have seen LM to stay cleaner much longer. When a larger amount hits the bottom and you cant pull it all out which is often the case you will/can create a wicking issue. Most guys also don't rinse the carpet more then 1 or 2 strokes so how dirty is the water left in the carpet? It can be the same as whats in the waste tank. Now before you want to cut my head off I offer both methods and make chems for both methods. I'm just witnessing to what I have seen over the last 10 years with encap.

This is also why you get far less wicking with LM. But to address your point its not the level of soil removed that causes a rapid re soiling but the type of residue left after the cleaning. If you use an alkaline rinse with your extraction you WILL be leaving behind surfactants that are sticky and this will resoil quickly. A clear water rinse is much better. The encapsulation polymer dries to a hard shell ( think M&M) and blocks off the surfactants from being sticky so it resoils at a normal rate.

The other issue can be that the cleaner in either case removed the soils stuck to the oily binder on the fibers thus making it look clean but did not remove the binders so it resoils quickly or the spot re appears.

I almost stopped reading after the first sentence, I thought I'd been transported back to the 70s, do we still peddle that nonsense about re soiling chemicals? It laughable that a silly point like that is needed to back up Encap cleaning.

I use a fresh water rinse, so I guess that argument does,nt count for me,  or does a fresh water rinsed carpet also  resoil  quicker that Encap.

I don't believe any cleaning photo I see unless I did it myself its so easy to fake the 'clean effect' .  the foam alone gives an immediate visual appearance of clean.

On those photos did he tell the customer that the dirt was still there just not visible so they will need to vac it up over the subsequent weeks?  Encap is good in the right situation....... but that is not the right situation

[Simon Gerrard]

A truck mount wash will resoil faster then LM . Extraction chems can often leave a negative residue due to the rinses used. Encapsulation will leave a positive residue meaning it wont negatively effect the carpet. Lm is using encapsulation  is absorbing soils from the top down. When you prespray your carpet before extraction which direction do the soils go? Your washing down and then trying to put it back up. With LM( if done properly) you didnt apply enough solution to the carpet to wash the soils to the bottom like you do with an injection sprayer. I have cleaned both ways for decades and have seen LM to stay cleaner much longer. When a larger amount hits the bottom and you cant pull it all out which is often the case you will/can create a wicking issue. Most guys also don't rinse the carpet more then 1 or 2 strokes so how dirty is the water left in the carpet? It can be the same as whats in the waste tank. Now before you want to cut my head off I offer both methods and make chems for both methods. I'm just witnessing to what I have seen over the last 10 years with encap.

This is also why you get far less wicking with LM. But to address your point its not the level of soil removed that causes a rapid re soiling but the type of residue left after the cleaning. If you use an alkaline rinse with your extraction you WILL be leaving behind surfactants that are sticky and this will resoil quickly. A clear water rinse is much better. The encapsulation polymer dries to a hard shell ( think M&M) and blocks off the surfactants  professional chemicals dry to a crystalfrom being sticky so it resoils at a normal rate.

The other issue can be that the cleaner in either case removed the soils stuck to the oily binder on the fibers thus making it look clean but did not remove the binders so it resoils quickly or the spot re appears.

John,
You make a well known point that if you use cheap chemicals they can dry to a sticky residue and cause re-soiling. Most modern professional quality chemicals dry to a crystal. However, to say a TM 'wash' as you put it, will re-soil quicker than LM. Sorry, but that's complete rubbish. If done correctly a TM will provide a deeper and therefore longer lasting clean than any other carpet cleaning process on the planet. What you forgot to mention is that rapid re-soiling is caused far more by there being soil been left deep in the carpet pile following cleaning and when it dries pads back up to the surface. Admittedly sticky residues won't help in that regard, but are only part of the story. A TM cleans far deeper and removes far more of the soil in a carpet which is why they tend to stay cleaner longer, far longer.
I say all of that as a recent convert to LM and Encap, which have their place, but are by no means the answer in all situations.

Simon

[Steven Butler]

Mixed opinions then.
Thanks for the replies. Think I will order some and try it on my own carpets. How exactly does the process go assuming I use a floormac? Does it just need agitating in with a brush attachment or would I need pads?

[stuart_clark]

Steven

I have had brilliant results with pads