[Marc Stock]

hmm to have warm hands in the winter must be lovely though

[deeege]

its pretty cold here this morning.ice on my windscreen!all my jobs are 6 weekly commercial today with one domestic.offices on a main road first job off the day which will be dirty after the storms so im glad im using hot water today!

Stop trying to justify it Daz, you have already told us it is crap!

 

[dazmond]

danny i wouldnt say its crap!do a google search of hot pure water and it does indeed clean much more effective at higher temperatures.has to be 60 degrees plus though to make a real difference which is just not possible in cold winter months unless you want to crack glass!!

its nicer to use than cold water but that is offset by the heavier hose you have to drag around!

[gary999]

Nah don't buy that lighter poles won't help with RSI.

A lighter pole will reduce the strain on joints and wrists.

As for hot water it's a tool. I know people have been 15 years WFP COLD! Still not hot.

Hot has it uses

I never said not buy a light pole...but the chase after lighter and lighter
poles for cleaning below 25ft whenthe difference in weight is incremental
but the cost isnt and their being a limit on beneft is pointless

The best way of reducing strain on wrists and joints is using the
tool correctly,as often as you can letting the whole body take the
strain rather than just your arms.

I agree hot is another tool..not essential but will have its uses

[gary999]

its pretty cold here this morning.ice on my windscreen!all my jobs are 6 weekly commercial today with one domestic.offices on a main road first job off the day which will be dirty after the storms so im glad im using hot water today!

Bloody turncoat

[gary999]

hmm to have warm hands in the winter must be lovely though

Gloves

[Clever Forum Name]

Nah don't buy that lighter poles won't help with RSI.

A lighter pole will reduce the strain on joints and wrists.

As for hot water it's a tool. I know people have been 15 years WFP COLD! Still not hot.

Hot has it uses

I never said not buy a light pole...but the chase after lighter and lighter
poles for cleaning below 25ft whenthe difference in weight is incremental
but the cost isnt and their being a limit on beneft is pointless

The best way of reducing strain on wrists and joints is using the
tool correctly,as often as you can letting the whole body take the
strain rather than just your arms.

I agree hot is another tool..not essential but will have its uses

With the extreme you are buying weight and rigidity at the same time.

I use an 18ft extreme to clean hundreds of windows over extensions, conservatory roofs and porches. All of this is done at a angle. So with your logic i should just use a clx as its less than 25ft. I can tell you now an 18ft clx stretching over an extension is no fun whatsoever. It strains everything. When using an extreme i could do it one handed if i wanted too.

Anyways that's me done on the topic, as its about hot water not light poles.

You have your opinion i have mine mate

[jonboywalton75]

Just spent over £400 on an extreme 18
Glad I didn't spend it on hot

[gary999]

Nah don't buy that lighter poles won't help with RSI.

A lighter pole will reduce the strain on joints and wrists.

As for hot water it's a tool. I know people have been 15 years WFP COLD! Still not hot.

Hot has it uses

I never said not buy a light pole...but the chase after lighter and lighter
poles for cleaning below 25ft whenthe difference in weight is incremental
but the cost isnt and their being a limit on beneft is pointless

The best way of reducing strain on wrists and joints is using the
tool correctly,as often as you can letting the whole body take the
strain rather than just your arms.

I agree hot is another tool..not essential but will have its uses

With the extreme you are buying weight and rigidity at the same time.

I use an 18ft extreme to clean hundreds of windows over extensions, conservatory roofs and porches. All of this is done at a angle. So with your logic i should just use a clx as its less than 25ft. I can tell you now an 18ft clx stretching over an extension is no fun whatsoever. It strains everything. When using an extreme i could do it one handed if i wanted too.

Anyways that's me done on the topic, as its about hot water not light poles.

You have your opinion i have mine mate

I can reach over a conservatory using an ali pole literally one handed
if you are having to stretch and cause strain you are using the wrong
length pole(incorrect use of tool)

im probably being a little unfair..i came from a job that involved real
physical strain and when started wfp in 2007 using a 25ft universal
pole everyday it was a walk in the park to what i was doing.

Now back to slagging off hot water

[Rayleigh Window Cleaning Services]

Thats what I like about my system. I'm twin pumped with hot or cold on diesel. Its there hot when i want it and

if I don't I leave it off. No faffing with draining systems, replacing bottles, storage, flues ,have I enough gas and warning stickers, is insurance covered etc.

I like to pull up, decide hot or cold and go.

End of day fill up job done. 5 years diesel, no problems. IMO 

Steve

[James Bulton]

Daz you amaze me, some time back it was hot water is great.  It was so fantastic you even had lists of what you needed to convert to a hot system and overnight you were the hot guru. Now because you have messed up a hose its not good anymore. What one needs to understand is your are working with hot water that expands and will put pressure on all you fitting and hose.This fact you need to understand and not operate it at full heat. This you have stated so often on your threads in the past.
      Don`t knock it as it does work and the fact is washing dishes in hot and cold water as proof.It is an extreme example, but it remains proof.Removing the greasy residual left by car exhaust pollution so many are having problems on this forum.  
The only fault of hot pure water is that so many do not mention the pressure on the system and the changing one needs to make to compensate for this pressure.
     Its a new and ground breaking technology and needs to be understood before embracing it blindly.Water over 65 degree can crack glass and if you get away with it is just pure luck.
The fact of the matter is a polyurethane hose and fitting  like Thermobore will not last at temperatures of over 65 degrees without loosing its strength. Theromobore is heaver due to its hose within a hose thickness and therefore will be heaver.
       Its a shame so many rush into exciting new technology then diss it when it fails for them. Hot pure is a very exciting thing for window cleaning and will become like the trad /WFP arguments that prevails on this forum.
        Daz you are a very likable chap but take responsibility for what you write on this forum because so many will follow blindly.

[dannymack]

Like I've said before Daz, I only use mine in really cold weather so hoses stay soft and they don't freeze up. Pack it away once the cold snap as gone. I think cold does just a good job !!!! 👍🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧👍

[gary999]

Daz you amaze me, some time back it was hot water is great.  It was so fantastic you even had lists of what you needed to convert to a hot system and overnight you were the hot guru. Now because you have messed up a hose its not good anymore. What one needs to understand is your are working with hot water that expands and will put pressure on all you fitting and hose.This fact you need to understand and not operate it at full heat. This you have stated so often on your threads in the past.
      Don`t knock it as it does work and the fact is washing dishes in hot and cold water as proof.It is an extreme example, but it remains proof.Removing the greasy residual left by car exhaust pollution so many are having problems on this forum.  
The only fault of hot pure water is that so many do not mention the pressure on the system and the changing one needs to make to compensate for this pressure.
     Its a new and ground breaking technology and needs to be understood before embracing it blindly.Water over 65 degree can crack glass and if you get away with it is just pure luck.
The fact of the matter is a polyurethane hose and fitting  like Thermobore will not last at temperatures of over 65 degrees without loosing its strength. Theromobore is heaver due to its hose within a hose thickness and therefore will be heaver.
       Its a shame so many rush into exciting new technology then diss it when it fails for them. Hot pure is a very exciting thing for window cleaning and will become like the trad /WFP arguments that prevails on this forum.
        Daz you are a very likable chap but take responsibility for what you write on this forum because so many will follow blindly.

Hot water a exciting new technology...where are you the outer reaches
of norfolk

[James Bulton]

No. I am not but when nothing is going on accept a pole tap or two it is exciting to clean with hot water. It is a freshest  idea of the last five years. When some forward thinking company decides to develop a good hot system from tank to pole, we have not seen the best yet. Hot water wfp is still in its infancy as there is a few more problems to iron out and yes I think it is exciting. I guess watching paint dry turns you on.

[Dave Willis]

It's very exciting when the glass cracks!

[James Bulton]

I have used hot for 5 years and never a crack. Hot is for the thinking, responsible window cleaner only, that understand what he is dealing with.

[tlwcs]

Daz you amaze me, some time back it was hot water is great.  It was so fantastic you even had lists of what you needed to convert to a hot system and overnight you were the hot guru. Now because you have messed up a hose its not good anymore. What one needs to understand is your are working with hot water that expands and will put pressure on all you fitting and hose.This fact you need to understand and not operate it at full heat. This you have stated so often on your threads in the past.
      Don`t knock it as it does work and the fact is washing dishes in hot and cold water as proof.It is an extreme example, but it remains proof.Removing the greasy residual left by car exhaust pollution so many are having problems on this forum.  
The only fault of hot pure water is that so many do not mention the pressure on the system and the changing one needs to make to compensate for this pressure.
     Its a new and ground breaking technology and needs to be understood before embracing it blindly.Water over 65 degree can crack glass and if you get away with it is just pure luck.
The fact of the matter is a polyurethane hose and fitting  like Thermobore will not last at temperatures of over 65 degrees without loosing its strength. Theromobore is heaver due to its hose within a hose thickness and therefore will be heaver.
       Its a shame so many rush into exciting new technology then diss it when it fails for them. Hot pure is a very exciting thing for window cleaning and will become like the trad /WFP arguments that prevails on this forum.
        Daz you are a very likable chap but take responsibility for what you write on this forum because so many will follow blindly.

Hot water a exciting new technology...where are you the outer reaches
of norfolk

No, 1872 bc

[Dave Willis]

I have used hot for 5 years and never a crack. Hot is for the thinking, responsible window cleaner only, that understand what he is dealing with.

Very patronizing I must say!  

I had one go and had I thought some more and been more responsible it still would have cracked.

[SeanK]

Somebody should tell these guys that hot water only cleans dishes better if it has detergent
in it.
Hot on it own would be less effective than cold with detergent.
Car pollution is oil based so water alone wont remove it hot or not.

[johnwillan]

I use a 1kw aquarium heater (£50) and life vest (£2), this heats to around 28 degrees so not hot just warm, I've done this for a few years and it works very well, stops everything from freezing up and keeps the hoses supple throughout the day!