[Rob Hall]

 Graeme
4" Diamond pads are a damn site easier than using hand pads...trust me! Hand pads are pre-historic for this type of job.

Experience eh? Why don't you come on a job with me Kevin, I can teach you some new ways of doing things. ( I note you didn't answer my questions again, just don't want to chat anymore?? I wonder why? Maybe hot air again...a bit like buying all those machines from Amir eh??)

And the pictures look exactly the same as the original too!

A flex and some 4" pads, thats ALL you need. Job Done.

[Graeme Smith]

Thanks for (all) the input - the first picture were emailed to be by the British gas man hence the poor quality. The new photos are mine taken with an iphone 4s without a flash so we can actually see whats going on.

I have got a variable speed dry stone polishing machine - storma stonemaster bought from stone gate in Hull about 4 years ago along with silicon carbide paper and a set of 4" diamonds pads (which were crap - the diamonds not the method)

On other jobs I have even done the test of wire cup brush versus 4" diamond brush - one diamond brush off rob and another off stonegate  -both methods work - down side of wire cup brush is it can leave a black burn mark on the stone if removing paint or adhesive/rubberized unknown deposits but its only £5.00. Diamond brushes wear quite fast but don't tend to burn but are more like £40.00+ Both can leave a scratch pattern on Victorian tiles or even sandstone flags - the Vicky tiles being the ones you don't want to scratch.


Or the other way is put your prices up to do the job more slowly with a combination of methods - sometimes light abrasion with diamond handblock at 120-220 grit works on problem unglazed tiles - just don't scratch too hard.
Found a Tynex brush on the bottom of a Rocky is very effective if you give it time not just flicking it around the floor.
In other words you need time on hard floor and that means more money. 20m2 of sandstone - just cleaning has to be £500.00 minimum to do a reasonable job - starting to ramp up prices quite quickly now having time to walk away after the job knowing I've made a difference. Some similarities with carpet cleaning in as much as you still get the customers who do not or can not pay you just have to cut them loose - plenty of others who will pay.

Considering who caused the damage and if it had been a bigger open floor area the Levi method would have been the route to push for a better overall job- but you could not swing a very small cat in the room so its a hands and knees job

[Rob Hall]

Thanks for (all) the input - the first picture were emailed to be by the British gas man hence the poor quality. The new photos are mine taken with an iphone 4s without a flash so we can actually see whats going on.

I have got a variable speed dry stone polishing machine - storma stonemaster bought from stone gate in Hull about 4 years ago along with silicon carbide paper and a set of 4" diamonds pads (which were crap - the diamonds not the method)

On other jobs I have even done the test of wire cup brush versus 4" diamond brush - one diamond brush off rob and another off stonegate  -both methods work - down side of wire cup brush is it can leave a black burn mark on the stone if removing paint or adhesive/rubberized unknown deposits but its only £5.00. Diamond brushes wear quite fast but don't tend to burn but are more like £40.00+ Both can leave a scratch pattern on Victorian tiles or even sandstone flags - the Vicky tiles being the ones you don't want to scratch.


Or the other way is put your prices up to do the job more slowly with a combination of methods - sometimes light abrasion with diamond handblock at 120-220 grit works on problem unglazed tiles - just don't scratch too hard.
Found a Tynex brush on the bottom of a Rocky is very effective if you give it time not just flicking it around the floor.
In other words you need time on hard floor and that means more money. 20m2 of sandstone - just cleaning has to be £500.00 minimum to do a reasonable job - starting to ramp up prices quite quickly now having time to walk away after the job knowing I've made a difference. Some similarities with carpet cleaning in as much as you still get the customers who do not or can not pay you just have to cut them loose - plenty of others who will pay.

Considering who caused the damage and if it had been a bigger open floor area the Levi method would have been the route to push for a better overall job- but you could not swing a very small cat in the room so its a hands and knees job

In my opinion, if you are leaving scratch marks you are using too much force, let the brush do the work.

[Kev Martin]

This is your statement below which states you have " 27 Years experience"

"FYI Kevin, I have done more than "a few floors" my dear boy. Why I have to justify myself to you is beyond me, but, I have been in this game now since 1987, installing, restoring, maintaining etc etc.....YOU?  What makes YOU the Authority in our industry?"

I never said I was the Authority however in January 2012 you did our course that in case you haven't worked it out was 2 YEARS AGO.  So according to your statement above even when you came on the course you had 25 YEARS Experience.

Strangely enough from 20 Months ago and less with all that experience here are some of your posts "ON THIS FORUM"

MAY 2012
Hello again Kev
I emailed Antony, but as yet I have not heard back from him. Can you tell me when I can get booked onto the grinding course please??

June 2012
Been asked to look at a scratch on a fireplace, the fireplace is not a stone one, it looks like one of those man made things but it is polished.
Has anyone ever polished one of these types of fireplaces?
Will a wax work on the scratch?
I have some pictures which I will post later.

July 2012
I am looking at changing my wet vac for a twin motor, has anyone got any recommendations on what to buy and what not?

July 2012
I am using a backing plate on my rotary machine with velcro to hold the diamond disks in place....except...it isn't 
I have tried to wash the velcro, scrub any contamination off the stuff, but they still keep flying off!
Any suggestions?

July 2012
What is the price for a decent Klindex machine Kev?
Capable of both grinding AND polishing but also, can be used with the cleaning attachments?
I also want a new wet vac and I notice that you do a triple motor, can you give me a price for one of those too.
Any idea of when you are running the grinding course again?

July 2012
We have a Terracotta Floor tiled externally, but we have salts appearing all the time, as if moisture is trapped in the tile. Is there any products to bring out the salts?
The sealer was specified by LTP, the sealer was Colour Intensifier Stainblock, but no linseed oil has been used, this surprised me as we always have oiled in the past....any ideas?

July 2012
No, don't bother, he had an opportunity to sell one last night, he missed it, tuff!! I will be ordering the Levighetor from Kevin, having thought about it it is more suitable for the job and all the parts and back up are here in the UK.
Send him my regards.
 
September 2012
I too had a large Marble floor to repolish, it was Crema Marfil.
I did an area with Twister pads and another area with the diamonds and left the choice to the customer.
You will not be surprised to learn that they choose the diamonds, it was a much deeper polish, the Twister would have been ok....but thats all...just ok, if I hadn't have given them a choice.
Kev is right, diamonds is the only way.

November 2012
No doubt one here for Kevin...
I have done a job which is a victorian Floor, which has had a covering of bitumen, why on earth people do this, I have no idea!!
The customer had managed to get up 99% of the bitumen off,  but there was some staining left.
I used a Black Twister, which has worked really well, unfortunately, there are some tiles where the staining has gone right in. Is there a known method or product on the market to remove these stains?

November 2012
I have just had a look at your website...
Can I ask where you got the white circular round thing that your machine sits in to avoid splashing everything....damn good idea!!

March 2013
Kevin not only runs a good course, they also have decent kit to use. Klindex probably make one of the best machines on the market, The Levighetor.
The Levighetor will be added to my kit as soon as I can afford it.
They are always happy to answer questions over the phone and offer advice. How much is that worth?
AND....their products work.

May 2013
I have a Indian Sandstone floor to clean. It has been sealed over the past 9 years with Lithofin Slate Seal. The seal now needs removing and re-sealing. The client is reluctant to use Slate Seal again as it has proved difficult to maintain. What are YOUR thoughts on a good sealer for Sandstone? I was thinking of using LTP Ironwax gloss. There has to be something that will enhance the colour AND be easier to clean and maintain than Slate Seal.
What do you have Kevin?


I rest my case Mr 27 Years Experience

Now leave me in peace please and work towards your 28th year.  I am sure in a few months you will know all there is to know about SAMICH (KLINDEX) products as well

[Rob Hall]

This is your statement below which states you have " 27 Years experience"

"FYI Kevin, I have done more than "a few floors" my dear boy. Why I have to justify myself to you is beyond me, but, I have been in this game now since 1987, installing, restoring, maintaining etc etc.....YOU?  What makes YOU the Authority in our industry?"

I never said I was the Authority however in January 2012 you did our course that in case you haven't worked it out was 2 YEARS AGO.  So according to your statement above even when you came on the course you had 25 YEARS Experience.

Strangely enough from 20 Months ago and less with all that experience here are some of your posts "ON THIS FORUM"

MAY 2012
Hello again Kev
I emailed Antony, but as yet I have not heard back from him. Can you tell me when I can get booked onto the grinding course please??

June 2012
Been asked to look at a scratch on a fireplace, the fireplace is not a stone one, it looks like one of those man made things but it is polished.
Has anyone ever polished one of these types of fireplaces?
Will a wax work on the scratch?
I have some pictures which I will post later.

July 2012
I am looking at changing my wet vac for a twin motor, has anyone got any recommendations on what to buy and what not?

July 2012
I am using a backing plate on my rotary machine with velcro to hold the diamond disks in place....except...it isn't 
I have tried to wash the velcro, scrub any contamination off the stuff, but they still keep flying off!
Any suggestions?

July 2012
What is the price for a decent Klindex machine Kev?
Capable of both grinding AND polishing but also, can be used with the cleaning attachments?
I also want a new wet vac and I notice that you do a triple motor, can you give me a price for one of those too.
Any idea of when you are running the grinding course again?

July 2012
We have a Terracotta Floor tiled externally, but we have salts appearing all the time, as if moisture is trapped in the tile. Is there any products to bring out the salts?
The sealer was specified by LTP, the sealer was Colour Intensifier Stainblock, but no linseed oil has been used, this surprised me as we always have oiled in the past....any ideas?

July 2012
No, don't bother, he had an opportunity to sell one last night, he missed it, tuff!! I will be ordering the Levighetor from Kevin, having thought about it it is more suitable for the job and all the parts and back up are here in the UK.
Send him my regards.
 
September 2012
I too had a large Marble floor to repolish, it was Crema Marfil.
I did an area with Twister pads and another area with the diamonds and left the choice to the customer.
You will not be surprised to learn that they choose the diamonds, it was a much deeper polish, the Twister would have been ok....but thats all...just ok, if I hadn't have given them a choice.
Kev is right, diamonds is the only way.

November 2012
No doubt one here for Kevin...
I have done a job which is a victorian Floor, which has had a covering of bitumen, why on earth people do this, I have no idea!!
The customer had managed to get up 99% of the bitumen off,  but there was some staining left.
I used a Black Twister, which has worked really well, unfortunately, there are some tiles where the staining has gone right in. Is there a known method or product on the market to remove these stains?

November 2012
I have just had a look at your website...
Can I ask where you got the white circular round thing that your machine sits in to avoid splashing everything....damn good idea!!

March 2013
Kevin not only runs a good course, they also have decent kit to use. Klindex probably make one of the best machines on the market, The Levighetor.
The Levighetor will be added to my kit as soon as I can afford it.
They are always happy to answer questions over the phone and offer advice. How much is that worth?
AND....their products work.

May 2013
I have a Indian Sandstone floor to clean. It has been sealed over the past 9 years with Lithofin Slate Seal. The seal now needs removing and re-sealing. The client is reluctant to use Slate Seal again as it has proved difficult to maintain. What are YOUR thoughts on a good sealer for Sandstone? I was thinking of using LTP Ironwax gloss. There has to be something that will enhance the colour AND be easier to clean and maintain than Slate Seal.
What do you have Kevin?


I rest my case Mr 27 Years Experience

Now leave me in peace please and work towards your 28th year.  I am sure in a few months you will know all there is to know about SAMICH (KLINDEX) products as well

 
Phew! That must have taken you some time to do! Is that the best you can do?

Tell me, what is it Kevin that rattles your cage when someone has an opinion?

What do you get out of being angry all the time?

Yes, I came on your course because, as I have said MANY times before, I was robbed with some iffy gear by a mush from Shepards Bush!

Let me try and help you out with your childish game....

May 2012
See above

June 2012
Fireplace...Not Stone...and YOUR point is?

July 2012
I need a new wet vac and I was asking for recommendations.
Ahh, I get it, I didn't ask YOUR opinion, I asked everyone else. Naughty Rob!

July 2012
Info needed regarding the crap machine I bought from that Mush I mentioned earlier.

July 2012
As I have mentioned before, your arrogance kills me, so I went direct to Italy to see the makers of Klindex SAMICH. Yes Kevin, SAMICH make Klindex!!

All your other clips seem pointless, however, you have missed the more relevant points where I point out that your Aqua Mix Sealing and Coating remover does not work. It is complete rubbish.

Anyway, you promised never to talk to me again...I am irresistible to you aren't I 

And please do try and answer MY questions, al least I reply to yours, are can't you?

I still say that your course is good, IF you can put up with the arrogance and irritating Kevin Martin. (Other courses are available and as you are never too old to learn, I will also be attending more, even though I have the experience...perhaps more than the arrogant man himself!)

Don't bother me anymore Kevin, I have neither the time or patience for you. Why people buy from you is beyond me.