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Graeme Smith

Whats this tile
« on: February 04, 2014, 08:57:55 pm »


Apart from scratched - can anyone ID this tile have not seen it yet - limestone/travertine??

Kev Martin

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Re: Whats this tile
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2014, 09:28:11 pm »
Graeme

It looks like limestone are there an fossils in it?

Kev Martin
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Graeme Smith

Re: Whats this tile
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2014, 09:44:58 pm »
Not seen it yet British gas dragged something across the floor whilst working for customer - thought it was limestone - find out on friday. Its the bathroom floor - think it was the toilet that was dragged, the chap tried to hide it with a bath mat but the lady of the house busted him :)

Rob Hall

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Re: Whats this tile
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2014, 11:05:28 pm »


Apart from scratched - can anyone ID this tile have not seen it yet - limestone/travertine??
We used to sell a yellow Travertine years ago that looked like this. I have enlarged your photo and it looks like there are some patches of filler in there. Where is the job?

Graeme Smith

Re: Whats this tile
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2014, 07:42:19 am »
Sunny huddersfield

Kev Martin

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Re: Whats this tile
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2014, 02:19:25 pm »
Not seen it yet British gas dragged something across the floor whilst working for customer - thought it was limestone - find out on friday. Its the bathroom floor - think it was the toilet that was dragged, the chap tried to hide it with a bath mat but the lady of the house busted him :)

OK just let me know when you look at it.  Travertine & Limestone are easy to differentiate.  The restoration process is the same anyway.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
"Natural Stone Restoration Specialists" Tel: 0121 773 9129
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Rob Hall

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Re: Whats this tile
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2014, 05:14:06 pm »
Graeme, it is maybe worth pointing out that restoring a Good Quality Limestone with a diamond disc type of product will not give you the same results as with Travertine. Travertine has natural holes as parts of its make up, a good quality Limestone doesn't.
All I am adding is, if you restore the Travertine with diamonds, you will reveal more holes and will need filling.

Kev Martin

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Re: Whats this tile
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2014, 08:32:05 am »
Graeme, it is maybe worth pointing out that restoring a Good Quality Limestone with a diamond disc type of product will not give you the same results as with Travertine. Travertine has natural holes as parts of its make up, a good quality Limestone doesn't.
All I am adding is, if you restore the Travertine with diamonds, you will reveal more holes and will need filling.

Rob

How many Limestone & Travertine floors have you fully restored using a Planetario fitted with Metal Sintered Diamonds and then run up through the Resin grits?

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics ltd
"Natural Stone Restoration Specialists" Tel: 0121 773 9129
www.tilinglogistics.co.uk | www.marblelife.co.uk  http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Tiling-Logistics

Rob Hall

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Re: Whats this tile
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2014, 07:25:42 pm »
Graeme, it is maybe worth pointing out that restoring a Good Quality Limestone with a diamond disc type of product will not give you the same results as with Travertine. Travertine has natural holes as parts of its make up, a good quality Limestone doesn't.
All I am adding is, if you restore the Travertine with diamonds, you will reveal more holes and will need filling.

Rob

How many Limestone & Travertine floors have you fully restored using a Planetario fitted with Metal Sintered Diamonds and then run up through the Resin grits?

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics ltd
Who mentioned a Planetario and metal sintered diamonds...???? Not me!!

Kev Martin

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Re: Whats this tile
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2014, 07:30:40 pm »
That is how that floor needs to be restored and Graeme has the Klindex equipment to do it!

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
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Rob Hall

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Re: Whats this tile
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2014, 07:33:17 pm »
In my opinion TOTAL OVERKILL for such a soft floor.

Kev Martin

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Re: Whats this tile
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2014, 07:39:20 pm »
It depends what the client wants but it could possibly be done with a couple of honing powder grits as an alternative provided the scratches are not too deep.  But Graeme will need to check the depth of the scratches first with his vernier.  That said they look too deep to me based on my extensive experience of restoring these types of floor.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
"Natural Stone Restoration Specialists" Tel: 0121 773 9129
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Rob Hall

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Re: Whats this tile
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2014, 07:49:15 pm »
I assume that the client wants the scratches removing.
Looking at the evidence, we have a British Gas worker dragging something across a bathroom floor. Now, unless there are some really strange people in Huddersfield who have cookers in their bathrooms, it will probably be some kind of heater maybe? I doubt if the scratches are of the depth that require sintered diamonds.
However I bow to your "Extensive Experience".
Graeme, I hope the customer is ready for your quote, it is certainly going to cost them dearly with this method.
Alternatively, grab yourself a Variable Speed Flex Machine with some 4" pads, it should take you an hour with my method.  If you fancy it, I can give you an hour tomorrow, I will give you a hand if you haven't bought a Flex by now.

Alternatively, drag the 100KG machine up the stairs to the bathroom and try and work with it in a bathroom.... ??? ??? Utter Madness if you ask me. Is this really the voice of Experiance ??? ???

Kev Martin

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Re: Whats this tile
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2014, 05:29:57 am »
Rob

On the whole you present reasonable banter but you clearly like arguing and seeing if you can create a problem especially with the last line of your last post?

The sad fact is yes it is the voice of experience and I will try to explain why!  FYI  British Gas do everything these days from Toilet Cisterns to fully Electric rewires so it could have been anything from a toilet cistern to a 500 Litre water tank they were trying to get up into the attic.  I have seen various things dragged over floors both commercial and residential in my time ranging from a small sofa to a full blown commercial photocopier and in 98% of cases we have had to do a complete restoration.

You think because you have done a few floors you know how to do a restoration but in reality how many LARGE floors lets say over 10M2 have you successfully restored with your 4" Machine?   When I say successfully I mean would I be able to see any dishing, rippling, undulation or polish marks where you had been with the machine?  If so have you got any pictures?  You may have got a floor done to a clients satisfaction but in all honesty you know it is impossible to restore any floor of any size with a 4" Machine don't you?

Or indeed if you are that good with a 4" machine I have a job coming up in Colne Lancashire, not that far from you that I have just signed up which is going to need about 12 hours of extra work and where I am going to need to take 4 different machines to restore his floor because of the complexity and particularly the lippage on some edges around his stairs and under his glass steps.  If you can come and remove that lippage which is about 4" wide and about 8 Linear metres Name your price and I will pay it within reason!!!  How does £50 per Linear metre sound???  Which in real terms is £400 for less than 1 M2 of restoration isn't it?

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
"Natural Stone Restoration Specialists" Tel: 0121 773 9129
www.tilinglogistics.co.uk | www.marblelife.co.uk  http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Tiling-Logistics

Rob Hall

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Re: Whats this tile
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2014, 09:51:40 am »
Rob

On the whole you present reasonable banter but you clearly like arguing and seeing if you can create a problem especially with the last line of your last post?

The sad fact is yes it is the voice of experience and I will try to explain why!  FYI  British Gas do everything these days from Toilet Cisterns to fully Electric rewires so it could have been anything from a toilet cistern to a 500 Litre water tank they were trying to get up into the attic.  I have seen various things dragged over floors both commercial and residential in my time ranging from a small sofa to a full blown commercial photocopier and in 98% of cases we have had to do a complete restoration.

You think because you have done a few floors you know how to do a restoration but in reality how many LARGE floors lets say over 10M2 have you successfully restored with your 4" Machine?   When I say successfully I mean would I be able to see any dishing, rippling, undulation or polish marks where you had been with the machine?  If so have you got any pictures?  You may have got a floor done to a clients satisfaction but in all honesty you know it is impossible to restore any floor of any size with a 4" Machine don't you?

Or indeed if you are that good with a 4" machine I have a job coming up in Colne Lancashire, not that far from you that I have just signed up which is going to need about 12 hours of extra work and where I am going to need to take 4 different machines to restore his floor because of the complexity and particularly the lippage on some edges around his stairs and under his glass steps.  If you can come and remove that lippage which is about 4" wide and about 8 Linear metres Name your price and I will pay it within reason!!!  How does £50 per Linear metre sound???  Which in real terms is £400 for less than 1 M2 of restoration isn't it?

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
First of all Kevin, No, I don't like arguing, you really need to look over your messages to people. The arrogance is there for all to see. This is the exact reason why I do not see eye to eye with you simply because I cannot stand arrogant people. At least I am honest and tell you. However, I have always said, I respect you for your experience and help that you offer. I just wish you could roll your neck in sometimes and stop your "attitude" with anyone else who DARES to question YOUR theory.
However, in this instance, looking at the scratches that Graeme is trying to remove, they do not look like they have been made by very much do they? A 500ltr water tank? Nah, don't think so. A cistern, Yeah, probably. But come on...REALLY a levi to remove those scratches...come on Kevin, I know you sold Graeme a Levi but it is a Sledge Hammer to crack a nut in this case. If he had bought a Samich Legend from me, I would have still said..."use a Flex machine with some 4" pads"


I continue...

You ask how many floors have I done with my 4" machine over 10m2?
(Just picked myself up off the floor from laughing!!)

ANSWER;
NOT MANY!
I have a 17" machine for that.... With some brand new machines due in this week from Italy. Does that help you?

FYI Kevin, I have done more than "a few floors" my dear boy. Why I have to justify myself to you is beyond me, but, I have been in this game now since 1987, installing, restoring, maintaining etc etc.....YOU?  What makes YOU the Authority in our industry?
Why do you think that you are the only one that is capable?? You are not. I doubt wether you are really as good as you say, especially after all the crap you have spouted on this thread.....I mean....come on.....a Levi in a Bathroom???? ;D

Take a look at my website....all the pictures you need to see are on there.

So, where do you come up with all your theory about my work??
Let me ask you a question...How many jobs of mine have you ever been on?
I will answer that for you because every time I ask you a question that you are embarrassed to answer...you never do!
Oh, the answer by the way....NONE!

Regarding you last paragraph.

I have never removed lippage with a 4" machine of that size, why would I??? Small jobs..yes!
If you are saying that you cant do it, I will do it for you, when would you like it doing? What is the material? When are you doing it? Just bear in mind that I am busy up until April.

That poor..poor customer!! If you can afford to pay me £50 per linear metre, what on earth are you charging? You really can rip people off cant you? 

So, to sum up.
I do not do ALL my work with a 4" flex. My 4" flex is perfect for getting into all those areas most people leave behind. My DIAMOND and SIC BRUSHES (which I think is what you are getting at) replace the need for EXPENSIVE AND USELESS CHEMICAL PRODUCTS.
My 17" machine, fitted with a 17" diamond brush cleans a floor in the time that you have got your chemicals out of your van and applied 6 or 7 times. Soon, people will realise that using Diamonds and Water rather than Chemicals, is safer, cheaper AND QUICKER.

So, Kevin, in a country of free speech, I will have my say on items that I probably know as much, if not more than you about. If I don't...I won't. OK? In the mean time, try a different approach of less arrogance, calm down a little and realise, there sometimes are different approaches to different jobs. You may not like me selling Diamond Brushes because for everyone I sell, it is less of that Chemical nonsense for you to pedal.

Have a nice day. ;D

Kev Martin

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Re: Whats this tile
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2014, 10:10:43 am »
Rob

Your post says it all!  Good luck with your range of machines when you get them this week!  This is your final reply from me on anything!
"Natural Stone Restoration Specialists" Tel: 0121 773 9129
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Rob Hall

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Re: Whats this tile
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2014, 10:14:05 am »
Rob

Your post says it all!  Good luck with your range of machines when you get them this week!  This is your final reply from me on anything!
Ha Ha...I thought it might be.

THE TRUTH HURTS KEVIN!!!
 ;D

Graeme Smith

Re: Whats this tile
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2014, 10:17:21 am »



BTW its Travertine (polished) and it was the toilet being dragged  -the scratches are less than 0.5mm but fairly wide at. The floor is already cracked as almost every travertine tiled floor I've worked on is. The damage is to two tiles in the main and 1 other

Rob Hall

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Re: Whats this tile
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2014, 10:43:24 am »



BTW its Travertine (polished) and it was the toilet being dragged  -the scratches are less than 0.5mm but fairly wide at. The floor is already cracked as almost every travertine tiled floor I've worked on is. The damage is to two tiles in the main and 1 other
Drag your Levi up there Graeme, you got it, you might as well use it!
or
Buy yourself a flex (I will sell you one of mine if you like) you will have those scratches removed in the time you have heaved 100 kilos up the stairs.

To be honest, it doesnt look to me like much damage, I wouldnt say it had been caused by a 500 ltr water tank or even a cistern!!! ;D

If it is Travertine, it is the easiest job you will ever do with some 4" diamond discs.

Kev Martin

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Re: Whats this tile
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2014, 11:03:01 am »



BTW its Travertine (polished) and it was the toilet being dragged  -the scratches are less than 0.5mm but fairly wide at. The floor is already cracked as almost every travertine tiled floor I've worked on is. The damage is to two tiles in the main and 1 other

Graeme

Those photos are a lot better than the first lot you posted!  If it is very light scratching and restricted to just two tiles it will come out with a few hand diamonds like we showed you on the course then just use Aqua Mix Renue to bring it back.  Trust me don't start getting involved with 4" Diamonds on hand polishers until you have gained a lot of experience no matter what you are being told!

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
"Natural Stone Restoration Specialists" Tel: 0121 773 9129
www.tilinglogistics.co.uk | www.marblelife.co.uk  http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Tiling-Logistics