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John Klucznik

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Re: Dog smell
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2014, 09:42:01 pm »
I think the thought of detergent free came from soap free, but the two are different and the terms probably shouldn't care over between the two.
If you have an acid rinse then it could be detergent free.

john martin

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Re: Dog smell
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2014, 01:51:16 pm »
I think the thought of detergent free came from soap free, but the two are different and the terms probably shouldn't care over between the two.
If you have an acid rinse then it could be detergent free.

Yes , the truth is distorted by the marketing forces over the years  , the idea could have been born based on the cleaning products products available from the eighties back , at that time they might have contained totally different surfactants to those used in todays detergent products .
The American chap that first came up with the onestep ( dillute STPP)  concept may well ave just been a very talented salesman who convinced th germans at the right time and it took off from there .
Regarding the colloid products i think  JK just made the point that they are not 'classed ' as antimicrobial  , to be officially classed as such i believe they need to contain a recognized antimicrobial chemical such as Triclosan .   On its own the colloid surfactant may well kill bacteria but the efficiency of that would also be concentration linked , iv only spotted one such test report for for a colloid product online , it showed 99% kill rate ( for the bacteria they choose to test ) at a dilution of 5:1 but the kill rate had dropped to 50% at 100 : 1 .

John Klucznik

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Re: Dog smell
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2014, 03:22:28 pm »
For what its worth:


    Sanitizers: Used to reduce, but not necessarily eliminate, microorganisms from the inanimate environment to levels considered safe as determined by public health codes or regulations. Sanitizers include food contact and non-food contact products. Sanitizing rinses for surfaces such as dishes and cooking utensils, as well as equipment and utensils found in dairies, food-processing plants, and eating and drinking establishments comprise the food contact Sanitizers. These products are important because they are used on sites where consumable food products are placed and stored. Non-food contact surface sanitizers include carpet sanitizers, air sanitizers, laundry additives, and in-tank toilet bowl sanitizers.

    Disinfectants: Used on hard inanimate surfaces and objects to destroy or irreversibly inactivate infectious fungi and bacteria but not necessarily their spores. Disinfectant products are divided into two major types: hospital and general use. Hospital type disinfectants are the most critical to infection control and are used on medical and dental instruments, floors, walls, bed linens, toilet seats, and other surfaces. General disinfectants are the major source of products used in households, swimming pools, and water purifiers.

mr muzzy

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Re: Dog smell
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2014, 05:11:21 pm »
Richard I understood your post but just personally think a colloidal is not a suitable product for this problem thats all I was getting at. I have had customers only this week saying they have been called back to nursing homes where the product hasn't done what was required. I have even had them telling me it is their preferred Flea treatment .I sell exactly the same stuff myself so have no gripe with the product as long as its used appropriately.
As regards detergent free, this is a minefield isn't it. I think the general  consensus of a detergent is a soap type cleaner based on Alkylbenzenesulfonates or Quaternary Ammonium compounds. These are chemicals made from petrochemicals and other active ingredients some of which can be hazardous.
Products described as "detergent free" do not contain any of these substances. I think it is just a way of describing these products as there doesn't seem to be many other options which would have the same marketing clout.

john I would say good old hot water and that ( chine cleaner ) you sell would do the jobby

John Kelly

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Re: Dog smell
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2014, 05:21:21 pm »
Keith is referring to our Citrus Premium product which has hit a note with the local cycling fraternity who have found it to be the best chain cleaner available.

dan paton

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Re: Dog smell
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2014, 07:35:13 pm »
John is the product you sell the same as citra clean concentrate or is it completely different ? Only asking as anything I've read about it has been good

John Kelly

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Re: Dog smell
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2014, 08:29:02 pm »
Not from the same company but similar product.

david@zap-clean

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Re: Dog smell
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2014, 07:55:10 am »
Keith is referring to our Citrus Premium product which has hit a note with the local cycling fraternity who have found it to be the best chain cleaner available.

Ahah!  I've got 6 bikes, and some Citrus Premium... I'll be testing this out :)
David @ ZapClean
www.zap-clean.com