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What would you get?
« on: January 15, 2014, 09:08:24 am »
Looking to the future for my next van and system.

Between 800-1000ltr heated system.

Which van and system would you have professionally fitted, giving the best return for overall running costs.

I'm assuming a gas heated system would be cheaper to run but can you get someone to supply and fit these?

Cheers guys
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Simon Mess

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Re: What would you get?
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2014, 10:54:52 am »
Wouldn't mind being in that position myself!. Obviously a lot of personal opinions are going to come into play on this topic, but for the record, here is mine!.

For my requirements, a relatively compact and agile van is essential, so i would be looking at as small a van as i could get away with, and preferably rear wheel drive (better traction, and usually better steering lock). So having had a swb high roof 3.5t iveco daily in the past and loved it (very comfortable, VERY good steering lock, and built like a brick poo house!) that would be my first choice, followed by a transit 330. Obviously if you carry loads of other stuff, and run a 2 or more man setup, you may well need a bigger van though.

For system, given the simplicity of setting one up, i would NEVER even consider buying a proprietary system, they are just not worth it (unless you are trying to impress someone). As long as your chosen tank is fitted securely and your system thought out carefully, there are no drawbacks to a diy setup, but potentially huge financial benefits.

As for heating, although i have not gone down that route myself yet, i would favour the immersion heater element route. The reason for this is i like to keep things simple. 800l-1000l of water heated up to whatever temperature you deem appropriate is, by nature of the volume involved, going to stay warm all day, so why go to the hassle of fitting a gas or diesel water heater, when you don't need to?. From what i have read about immersion elements on this forum, you would have it on for about 6 or 7 hours to heat the water up sufficiently. Simply have it on a timer so the water has heated up for the time you leave to go to work.

sunshine windows

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Re: What would you get?
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2014, 03:59:55 pm »
Thanks for your input Simon.

Definitely after a compact van, although not too many jobs where parking is an issue. But it would only be for 1 man with no additional kit other than window cleaning gear.

DIY is out for me as I'm a complete numtpty in that department. I'd rather pay to have it done properly.

The hot system isn't essential but preferable as it does have its benefits. I'd rather have the option of hot on demand than worry about an element going pear shaped in the middle of the night.

Am I right in thinking 'concept' do a full system with gas heater?
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robert mitchell

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Re: What would you get?
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2014, 04:10:57 pm »
I think grippatank are doing a hot system now , its not advertised but they have built a few now , diesel powered .

you could also get the tank fitted professionally and install the ro etc yourself to save a few quid .
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Clever Forum Name

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Re: What would you get?
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2014, 04:57:38 pm »
Grippa list the hot water add on :)

sunshine windows

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Re: What would you get?
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2014, 05:18:45 pm »
Would a professionally installed gas fired system not be the most economical in terms of initial outlay and running costs?

Not sure if anyone does them though.
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Re: What would you get?
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2014, 05:20:03 pm »
Would a professionally installed gas fired system not be the most economical in terms of initial outlay and running costs?

Not sure if anyone does them though.

Xline does them
brodex does them
concept H20 does them

sunshine windows

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Re: What would you get?
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2014, 05:27:00 pm »
Thanks h20
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PoleKing

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Re: What would you get?
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2014, 06:25:42 pm »
Van: Transporter T32 biTurbo 180BHP. Not cheap but the best van on the road by a country mile!
Grippa system from what I can see.
Gas is probably your best bet.
Diesel may work out cheaper over over quite a number of years but that assumes it doesn't break down. If it breaks down it seems to be many many pennies.
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Spruce

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Re: What would you get?
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2014, 06:59:58 pm »
I'm not sure why you want that amount of water as a single operator unless you are away from base regularly.

I have a swb Relay with a twin operator DIY system. On my own I hardly ever use more than half a tank, maybe 400 liters on occassion.

If you are going the heat on demand heater, then gas is the cheapest and best way forward. The gas heater most favoured of late is a 16kw heater, so well able to keep up with a single or even twin operator system.

A diesel heater driven by a 5kw heater will only just keep your brush warm. A 9kw heater will do better but these are expensive to run and maintain.
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sunshine windows

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Re: What would you get?
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2014, 07:02:34 pm »
I currently have a redundant pure freedom webasto heater in my van, as the power supply they installed with the system is utterly useless. It's never run for more than 4 hours before going dead.
 
It runs for about an hour and a half now, then the whole system dies on me. Very disappointed with them.  It cost me over £400 in repairs when just outside of the 2 year warranty as well.

I've just been quoted over £400 to upgrade the batteries and supply an adequate charger by a local auto electrical centre so I'd happily get shot of it.

I love the look of the vivaro's and similar type vehicles, not sure if any vans of this size have the payload required for a 1000ltr tank though.
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Re: What would you get?
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2014, 07:08:55 pm »
Spruce I reckon if I worked a whole day ( not very often ) I'd get through 600ltrs easily. I've started to pick up work in villages around 10-15 miles from home. These are very well paid jobs to make the travel worthwhile, but it would be nice to be able to do more in one day. Currently only a few hours work and my 400ltr system is done. Yes I am a rinsing addict!
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Re: What would you get?
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2014, 07:25:06 pm »
I'm not sure why you want that amount of water as a single operator unless you are away from base regularly.

I have a swb Relay with a twin operator DIY system. On my own I hardly ever use more than half a tank, maybe 400 liters on occassion.

If you are going the heat on demand heater, then gas is the cheapest and best way forward. The gas heater most favoured of late is a 16kw heater, so well able to keep up with a single or even twin operator system.

A diesel heater driven by a 5kw heater will only just keep your brush warm. A 9kw heater will do better but these are expensive to run and maintain.

So what are the main advantages of going diesel route then spruce?

SeanK

Re: What would you get?
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2014, 07:27:45 pm »
Spruce I reckon if I worked a whole day ( not very often ) I'd get through 600ltrs easily. I've started to pick up work in villages around 10-15 miles from home. These are very well paid jobs to make the travel worthwhile, but it would be nice to be able to do more in one day. Currently only a few hours work and my 400ltr system is done. Yes I am a rinsing addict!


Cut your flow in half and clean as normal I guarantee you wont have a problem.
I used to use 600ltrs a day and can now do the same with 300ltrs just by reducing my flow.

Tony dunmall

Re: What would you get?
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2014, 09:09:43 pm »
Happy with what I've got wouldn't have that big a system unless for two men, 350 is enough for me each day but I did buy a hot  water

Vw all the way I work from a kombi, t30 140 more economy

Scrimble

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Re: What would you get?
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2014, 10:36:35 pm »
transit custom 330,

johnny bravo

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Re: What would you get?
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2014, 11:14:53 pm »
tony what van are you using,