[ricky776]

hi

just started doing drains and came across a right pain of a job today

kitchen sink is over flowing with toilet waste

check the out said drains every thing is OK but there is a second man hole under the decking which they said has been covered

now is there a tool which could be put down the toilet and then used to remove the blockage ive got a gully hose but wouldn't go round the bend when i tested it at home plus wouldn't the water go every wear

what does every one else use

lol sorry for a basic question lol

[BDCS]

Ring me 0797 453 7697 and I'll talk you through it but in this situation there is no quick fix - well maybe

[ricky776]

cheers

i will give you a call tomorrow thanks again

[BDCS]

Right, I'm doing a drain survey on a demolition site tomorrow and may not hear the phone but leave a message but in the interim.
The last chamber you can see is empty, the one under the decking is probably full, the sewage flows back into the shower - these share a common run or flow into the chamber under the decking - hence why it backs into the shower. Simply jet upstream from the m/t chamber towards the chamber under the decking and I'd say the block is at the exit of the chamber under the deck and it'll flow away to sewer. Always jet upstream if possible with just the rear facing nozzle - this is incase you could pop a small hole through the blockage and flood the house with the 1 forward 3 rear nozzle.
The hose for going through the toilet pan are available but you'll flood the shower tray if your not really lucky. If the chamber under the deck is clear - the tone changes and the hose stands up in the chamber then the block is upstream of the chamber but between the chamber and the t where the shower joins the toilet run. You will need to fold up a towel and get a mate of the customer to stand on the towel over the shower trap and then fill toilet pan and plunge it with a 6" plunger. The towel means the plunger has full effect on the blockage just as you block the overflow when you plunge a sink waste. You may also need to block the durgo ( air inclusion valve ) if there is one fitted.
 Get the customer to cut a trap door in the deck - I'l wrecked many decks to get at the chambers 

[Neil Jones]

I've always had drains in the back of my mind to maybe get in to, but after reading that I think I'll miss it.

[Rob_Mac]

Neil

Big money in drains. I have played with it for years now and we do get the big slot channels on car parks, occasionally.

Here's a story -

Someone priced a car park drains at a store in Greenwich, they were full so they priced it in excess of £25000.00.

It was a crust and it took two men two days.

The only reason I haven't got stuck into drains before is confidence and if I am honest I have turned jobs away.

Going to be doing the WJ Association course and go from there but it is going to be a service we push in the coming year

Rob

[Neil Jones]

I didn't know they did a course, might have a look at that. I know it's big money but it's also a big investment and time.

[BDCS]

You won't learn much on the WJA course but merely get a certificate to say you should be competent and a card to present at the hospital should you have a jetting injury or weils disease.
I'll train you up for a very modest fee   I don't earn big money doing drains  

[ricky776]

Yeah I did my wja course the other month

Didn't learn much about drains then self just the health and safety really

[BDCS]

The only way to learn is to get involved with the chocolate mousse - smells like money 

[Neil Jones]

What sort of machine would you need realistically. Obviously you can get the all singing all dancing ones like the water board but for someone doing it as add small add on to pressure washing what would be needed?

I would probably be interested in the offer if it was genuine?

[supernova77]

I know it's big money but it's also a big investment and time.

How much does it cost roughly for a decent drain clearing setup?

Andy

[ricky776]

I got my for flow plant second hand cost me £9000 but it's only a couple of years old with low hours (159) also got a pluse jet and a romote control 4000psi 12

Harben pumps are the best as you can run them dry but you pay a price for that

I ended up buying on from the supplier as I wanted a warrenty a lot of the ebay ones a crap

Cctv unit scan probe another £10.500 ex vat in sure that's right I ended up getting a second hand unit of em cost me £4000 it's like brand new lucky enough I knew some one there

Then new lwb van transit for me

All your ppe and tools etc

Must be £25k to 35k to set up proper and that's with out websites etc

Plus uu have taken over most domestic drains so the market it's slow at the moment speaking to other companies

We started as it's a bolt on to our other companies

[Rob_Mac]

I am going back to the domestic market, for more than one service, this being one of them.

Set up - drain jetter x 2 - cost nothing because I already have them, in my pressure washers

Bought a decent CCTV set up 8 years ago, more than adequate, probably three grand back then.

I need a run of hose to clip onto my pressure washer reel/s attach the heads and bobs your uncle.

A website is necessary (I would say for any service you are selling) so what can be afforded and then improve the business window as and when possible.

Everything can be upgraded as you go along, so it can be set up relatively cheaply, if you already have a decent pressure washer.

If not then without a vehicle you may be paying up to £10 000.

Ricky you must have seen an opportunity or already had an outlet to invest as you did.

I can see an opportunity through correct & different marketing to get a decent slice but my circumstances are assisted by my client base but that is not where we will market.  I will take the work if it comes along but the domestic gives valuable cash flow and that is what I need.

A cursory glance onto ebay -

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Drain-Jetter-with-Yanmar-22-HP-Diesel-Engine-/251409940796?pt=UK_DIY_Materials_Plumbing_MJ&hash=item3a8933413c

Rob

[ricky776]

Yeah I already had work for it

We work for a lot of LAs and others etc and told them we may be setting up and there have been some intreste plus we have some good contacts already but if I didn't have any leads and was starting up fresh don't think u would of spent as much don't think I could of

I have to get a big jetter as I do a lot of schools and so on and a smaller machine wouldn't of worked plus for tree roots etc

[BDCS]

I have a Harben 4 @ 12, hard wired OMO - secondhand £8k and never missed a beat.
Camera is a camscan - maybe not the best name but has been very good and the service is second to none - ring them with a problem and they get it collected, repaired and returned within 3 days. This was about £6k with Cat, sonde, meterage all in. I have all the waste snakes, Rigid see snake, gully grabs, steel kane rods with all the ends, c scope signal generator, Stephill suitcase and all manor of hand tools etc.

The expensive bit is the experience 

Harben are the nuts and made in England - Salisbury.