[MATT BATEMAN (OWC)]

You had an issue similar to this a few months back didn't you. Then you locked that thread after it was suggested its a silly thing (legally) to broadcast on a forum.

What happened in that instance?

[Richard iSparkle]

You had an issue similar to this a few months back didn't you. Then you locked that thread after it was suggested its a silly thing (legally) to broadcast on a forum.

What happened in that instance?

terminated the person's emplyment after disciplinary pricess

[MATT BATEMAN (OWC)]

You had an issue similar to this a few months back didn't you. Then you locked that thread after it was suggested its a silly thing (legally) to broadcast on a forum.

What happened in that instance?

terminated the person's emplyment after disciplinary pricess

Hmmm . . . . .

[Becci Swan]

Richard, sounds like you have had a bad run with employing people.

Could the work be done remotely? If so I would be happy to offer my services on a freelance basis, please email me if you would like to discuss this further.

[Richard iSparkle]

Richard, sounds like you have had a bad run with employing people.

Could the work be done remotely? If so I would be happy to offer my services on a freelance basis, please email me if you would like to discuss this further.

Thanks Becci.  I had a bad egg    still clearing up the mess.  they were a left over from my early days when i didn't recruit professionally.

[robertphil]

at least you discovered it.       i now look for the red flag signs ,shifty behaviour 

[Small but perfectley formed]

The amount must not be much has the cleaner got paid direct you will have lost little ,still fraud but not so bad

[Richard iSparkle]

The amount must not be much has the cleaner got paid direct you will have lost little ,still fraud but not so bad

over £1000 confirmed stolen, future business lost so far of £55 a month and suspected a number of other clients worth upwards from £400 each.

That's a lot of money to me.

[Richard iSparkle]

at least you discovered it.       i now look for the red flag signs ,shifty behaviour 

you're right.  every days a lesson

i've learned not to give people the benefit of the doubt on morality.  if they do something dodgy, the chance is they will do (or be doing) other dodgy things you are not aware of.

[robertphil]

at least you discovered it.       i now look for the red flag signs ,shifty behaviour 

you're right.  every days a lesson

i've learned not to give people the benefit of the doubt on morality.  if they do something dodgy, the chance is they will do (or be doing) other dodgy things you are not aware of.

  years ago i went on a course with other lads at a london HQ of a security firm and at break time we all stood outside. somebody noticed a fancy lighter on a window sill ,asked around then decided to pocket it. iv wondered since if it was a set-up ,did the lad pocketing it get finished ,i never saw him again i do know that

[Jim Waugh(Albright & Shiny)]

Your talking about it being a slow investigation. It will be further hampered in that Police will meet a production order made by a court to access her bank account. In oder to get a production order police will need to show the court reasonable evidence that the fraud has been committed and that there will be evidence held within that account. This needs to be more than just an allegation.

From what you describe you need to start banging on the table of your local plod as this is beyond the skill set of your average bobby and will need a financial investigator or at least a CID officer tp deal.

I would suggest that you make an organisational complaint in that it is not being investigated appropriately with due diligence in that you are still suffering losses .

[8weekly]

Your talking about it being a slow investigation. It will be further hampered in that Police will meet a production order made by a court to access her bank account. In oder to get a production order police will need to show the court reasonable evidence that the fraud has been committed and that there will be evidence held within that account. This needs to be more than just an allegation.

From what you describe you need to start banging on the table of your local plod as this is beyond the skill set of your average bobby and will need a financial investigator or at least a CID officer tp deal.

I would suggest that you make an organisational complaint in that it is not being investigated appropriately with due diligence in that you are still suffering losses .

Yes, complain to Professional Standards and wait up to a year or more for them to investigate. It won't surprise anyone to hear that whilst they are slow investigating anything without a pretty much assured conviction for a "flavour of the month" offence at the end, they are a lot slower investigating themselves.

[James Bulton]

Its time for an overall of your business model. To many loopholes and not enough tight  controls. If this workers can do this chances others might as well.

[edward1]

i feel foe you Richard ,but am pleased you have told us your story.

 some people will steal if they can. not only your money by the sounds of it.
Do whatever you can to get this scum.

Let the customers that he has stole know exactly who is cleaning there windows.

good luck.

[Jim Waugh(Albright & Shiny)]

Your talking about it being a slow investigation. It will be further hampered in that Police will meet a production order made by a court to access her bank account. In oder to get a production order police will need to show the court reasonable evidence that the fraud has been committed and that there will be evidence held within that account. This needs to be more than just an allegation.

From what you describe you need to start banging on the table of your local plod as this is beyond the skill set of your average bobby and will need a financial investigator or at least a CID officer tp deal.

I would suggest that you make an organisational complaint in that it is not being investigated appropriately with due diligence in that you are still suffering losses .

Yes, complain to Professional Standards and wait up to a year or more for them to investigate. It won't surprise anyone to hear that whilst they are slow investigating anything without a pretty much assured conviction for a "flavour of the month" offence at the end, they are a lot slower investigating themselves.

Im Simply trying to offer constructive advice. There is some truth in what you say. Professional standards investigations are by their nature slower as they enter into depths that are beyond reproach. This has to be done as the country is filled with people who , through ignorance and an overpowering urge to lash out at the police for personal reasons, jump to the conclusion that Police  will do a half assed job investigating one of their own !
Anyway Im not suggesting professional standards involvement in this job, Im suggesting the table gets banged to get this transferred to an investigator better able to deal with the job appropriately and try to stop further losses..

[Richard iSparkle]

Your talking about it being a slow investigation. It will be further hampered in that Police will meet a production order made by a court to access her bank account. In oder to get a production order police will need to show the court reasonable evidence that the fraud has been committed and that there will be evidence held within that account. This needs to be more than just an allegation.

From what you describe you need to start banging on the table of your local plod as this is beyond the skill set of your average bobby and will need a financial investigator or at least a CID officer tp deal.

I would suggest that you make an organisational complaint in that it is not being investigated appropriately with due diligence in that you are still suffering losses .

Yes, complain to Professional Standards and wait up to a year or more for them to investigate. It won't surprise anyone to hear that whilst they are slow investigating anything without a pretty much assured conviction for a "flavour of the month" offence at the end, they are a lot slower investigating themselves.

Im Simply trying to offer constructive advice. There is some truth in what you say. Professional standards investigations are by their nature slower as they enter into depths that are beyond reproach. This has to be done as the country is filled with people who , through ignorance and an overpowering urge to lash out at the police for personal reasons, jump to the conclusion that Police  will do a half assed job investigating one of their own !
Anyway Im not suggesting professional standards involvement in this job, Im suggesting the table gets banged to get this transferred to an investigator better able to deal with the job appropriately and try to stop further losses..

thank you for your advice Tim.  I have finished work now and have decided to let it drop whilst I'm off.  Thanks for your email and I will get in touch when I'm back to pick your brains.

[BVC]

This may come as a shock but frontline bobbies have no choice but investigate slowly..
They are allocated a crime to investigate it is theirs they are the investigating officer . They work shift so there is not a lot they will be able to do on nights or days off. this leaves days when're they can talk / deal with monday to friday ends such as banks etc. on a late shift they can talk to the people who work in their homes.. On top of this they have to respond to every call they are allocated to.. Oh and each individual cop is investigating in the region of 10 crimes at anyone time..

Add to this for fraud offences the disclosure legislation that has to be satisfied for the banks to release information  makes it even slower.



Once upon a time fraud was dealt with by CID officer she don't have the burden of Shifts and responding to road accidents etc. But most CID officers are now tied up dealing with sexual offences. and traditional CID work like fraud, burglary and the like falls to uniformed cops..
Then throw into the mix the government has cut their resources, and that directly translates into officer numbers by 20%..
What happens on the TV is not representative of British policing..  

I have to ask why are the bank not stopping transactions.. and if I recall there is a directive from the Home office that Banks are the prosecuting authority for fraud involving banks.. Not the police..
email me at windows@albrightandshiny.co.uk and Ill try and help you out best I can.. I know the system very well.

does make me laugh though, coz if you go and knock his teeth out, the Rozzas will be round in a flash to nick you and you'll be up before a man in a wig to receive your £1000 fine in no time!!!

I know the system very well too, poor old fellas. Overworked, underpaid, unappreciated and misunderstood. My heart bleeds for them...

[PoleKing]

Isn't there some old gag goes something like...

'There's a burglar in my house'
'Sorry, we haven't got any men'
'Don't worry, I've shot him'
2 minutes later the place was swarming with cops
'Thought you'd shot someone?'
'Thought you didn't have any men...'

[Richard iSparkle]

Well the Police were finally able to get round to looking into the fraud, had the ex employee in and presented her with the evidence.  She came clean and has provided police access to the bank statements.  Over the past 3 years she has stolen £2090.05 from me, whilst working on a wage for me.  The police man said the she was 'genuinely sorry' for her actions. Then said the matter was going to court and he would send me a form to see if I could get back 'some of the money'.

I replied to the officer that I am sure if she is 'genuinely sorry' she will make every effort to repay the money she has stolen as soon as possible. 

[PoleKing]

Sorry she did it? Or sorry she got caught?
Glad you're sorted though.