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dd

  • Posts: 2569
Re: So, how many crash tested systems are there?
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2013, 05:01:59 pm »
Interesting they used a 1000l tank which is cube shaped. I do not think their 650l upright tank which is very top heavy (and seems popular) would have performed very well.

Also judging by a number of recent posts some of their customers are over their legal weight limit when they fill their tanks.

I think their systems are well installed but do not think the company in general is very professional. I would rather use Pure20 or Grippa who also supply tanks that are better constructed IMO.

Arnold Palmer

  • Posts: 20800
Re: So, how many crash tested systems are there?
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2013, 05:20:29 pm »
Crash tested mine properly.



Didn't budge.
#aliens

Pete Thompson

  • Posts: 960
Re: So, how many crash tested systems are there?
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2013, 06:40:39 pm »
Yeah I've seen that Pure Freedom video, and I am slightly suspicious of it.

Here's why:

1: Did you see how much the van flew into the air?  That can't be good, all of the energy is obviously being sent straight to the van itself, making a much worse collision.  Compare that to the ionics crash test video or the grippa one, where the van does not fly up into the air at all.

2: Why no crash-test dummy?  Seems insane to go to all the expense of setting up a test like this, but then not put a crash test dummy in the drivers seat.

3: at 1:14, the van crashes into the wall with a side-on view.  Now this to me would have been the most interesting part, because it would show how much damage there was in the passenger cab.  But for some unknown reason, the video cuts to a different view right at the moment of impact.  SUSPICIOUS!  Makes me wonder what happened in there that they didn't want us to see?

4: They then at 1:21 only show 2 stills of the impact from the side, WHY NO VIDEO????  And neither of the stills show what is happening as the van flies up in the air.

4: The wording at the end is slightly suspicious:
"The van is clearly a write off, however the system remains safely restrained within the cargo area with minimal deformation of the securing frame.

Although the vehicle is badly damaged the test is considered a success as the system held up to the impact forces and did not enter the cab."

"considered a success"? Is that really the measure of a success?  That the machine stayed put?  I don't think so.

In my view, the test should only be considered a "success" if the passengers weren't hurt as a result of the tank being in there.  I think that although yes the tank did stay put, the fact that the tank was in there meant the damage to the front cab was MUCH more severe that it otherwise would have been.  I'd even go so far as to say that as a result of that system being in there, the passengers would probably have been seriously injured or killed.

The extra weight the tank added has meant more forces to the chassis of the van, and a MUCH more sever collision.  I reckon that the inside of that cab was a carnage zone at the end, and that's why they didn't show it.

Just my opinion of course.  If pure freedom ever release the full, UNEDITED video, shoing the side-on crash all the way through, then we would know for sure.

Stephen.C

  • Posts: 450
Re: So, how many crash tested systems are there?
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2013, 06:44:27 pm »
I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.

www.pureh2owindowcleaning.com

Frankybadboy

  • Posts: 9022
Re: So, how many crash tested systems are there?
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2013, 07:23:55 pm »
you done your a few time haven't you dave ;D ;D ;D

robert mitchell

  • Posts: 1997
Re: So, how many crash tested systems are there?
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2013, 07:51:31 pm »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrbvYwVQWZw

http://www.ionicsystems.co.uk/en/safety.php

ionics is still the only fully crash tested system.

How do you work that out?

The test that grippa did simulates a crash at 30mph without a crumple zone taking away some of the force of the crash .

In my opinion the sled test is superior.
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Stephen.C

  • Posts: 450
Re: So, how many crash tested systems are there?
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2013, 08:52:50 pm »
How?
I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.

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robert mitchell

  • Posts: 1997
Re: So, how many crash tested systems are there?
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2013, 10:31:23 am »
Um , I just said why above .

The crumple zone is out of the equation so you get the full force .
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The man who never made a mistake never made anything.

James Bulton

Re: So, how many crash tested systems are there?
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2013, 02:48:52 pm »
A crash tested system is a lot of bull it is not a reflection of what will happen to a system under any crash incidents. All accidents and different and anyway who will drive 30 mph into a flat. Its false security. The tank will 99% burst. Sales and marketing ploy.

Stephen.C

  • Posts: 450
Re: So, how many crash tested systems are there?
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2013, 04:45:49 pm »
Ok fair enough, I think you're both talking rubbish. Merry Christmas.
I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.

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dd

  • Posts: 2569
Re: So, how many crash tested systems are there?
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2013, 04:49:03 pm »
If you read the info on Grippa they specifically do not bolt their system through the chassis so it does not put extra stress on it in a collision.

robert mitchell

  • Posts: 1997
Re: So, how many crash tested systems are there?
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2013, 05:04:31 pm »
Merry Christmas
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Dave Willis

Re: So, how many crash tested systems are there?
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2013, 05:18:20 pm »
Errm, so the alternative would be a strapped home made jobby that's had no testing at all? I'd love to see a ratchet strapped 650l that's been secured to those little noodle rings in most vans tested.

robert mitchell

  • Posts: 1997
Re: So, how many crash tested systems are there?
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2013, 08:30:14 pm »
Errm, so the alternative would be a strapped home made jobby that's had no testing at all? I'd love to see a ratchet strapped 650l that's been secured to those little noodle rings in most vans tested.

Exactly !
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dave0123

  • Posts: 3553
Re: So, how many crash tested systems are there?
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2013, 08:55:38 pm »
Crash testing is always only ever done to 30 mph and some at 40mph by all companies but not over that! reason being is they say anything over that speed there is a great chance you'd be dead anyway.
Dave.

Dave Mills

  • Posts: 277
Re: So, how many crash tested systems are there?
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2013, 09:21:12 pm »
A crash tested system is a lot of bull it is not a reflection of what will happen to a system under any crash incidents. All accidents and different and anyway who will drive 30 mph into a flat. Its false security. The tank will 99% burst. Sales and marketing ploy.

In which case, any car crash test is invalid.  Funny, more people are surviving car crashes nowadays despite crash tests not  being a reflection of "what will happen ... under crash incidents".

What a daft argument.  And I love the 99% comment.  Made up fact, or what?

robert mitchell

  • Posts: 1997
Re: So, how many crash tested systems are there?
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2013, 09:34:40 pm »
the plastic used to make the grippa tanks is apparently double the thickness of most other manufacturers tanks , the restraining frame is very well designed and it has a low centre of gravity .

compare that to a box section steel frame holding an upright tank , crash test or not i know which i would trust more in an accident .

i have been to a lot of car crashes and i have seen people walk away from cars that have crashed at 60-70-80 mph , and people die in crashes at 30-40mph , there are so many variables and its very unpredictable .

i have a well engineered , crash tested tank and frame because i know i have a better chance of surviving a crash if the tank stays put .

of all the crash tested systems out there i think the grippa tanks are the best engineered and designed , with ionics coming next .
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Clever Forum Name

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Re: So, how many crash tested systems are there?
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2013, 08:17:29 am »
When speaking to Oliver (grippa) they have pics of a van they fitted out that was in a nasty accident. Tank didn't even move :)