[chris scott]

Chris

I have had enough of your endless banter now!  Please post the set of instructions for applying an impregnating sealer you are referring to and state which manufacterer stipulates this method of application

Kev Martin
Tilling Logistics Ltd

I don't have to Kevin you have  far more experience of sealers than me and to quote you " "We all know most sealer manufacturers say you can reapply a second coat within a few hours but the fact is this is marketing bullpoop the sealer manufacturers put this because the others do. " 

I take it you have witnessed/read these instructions yourself and I have no reason to doubt your word that these are the instruction on "method of application"
However i do disagree with your reason for why they are there. I would of  thought that manufactures print  these instructions so we get the best from these products and avoid any "contractor error" as in this scenario.
The reason for the second coat is to ensure that the substrate is completely saturated (to top up anything that has "soaked in")
As you correctly said in an earlier post Quote "I was not surprised to hear any of this after his explanation but having applied literally 100's of gallons of sealer to Limestone the most coats I have ever applied is 3 and that was only in two instances.  I find most limestones accept 2 coats only!"
That is because you are more experienced than "our " contractor and you applied according to the manufactures instruction.

[Kev Martin]

hris

So this statement below of yours is from where?


""Manufacturers stipulate to apply "wet on wet ""

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[chris scott]

"Wet on wet" is mine  
Don't know if this stuff is any good  but in thier "metheod of application " video. They apply "wet on wet " to the point of saturation. Then remove the excess. Could be just marketing bull...t?
http://www.aquamix.com.au/apply-aqua-mix%C2%AE-sealers

[Kev Martin]

Chris

Now you have selective watching and listening as well.  I asked you to post the instructions where it says wet on wet and the long and short of it is "You Can't"  This method only exists in your head and possibly your mate in the shed.

This thread is now closed

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[chris scott]

http://www.aquamix.com.au/apply-aqua-mix%C2%AE-sealers

1 min to 1m 40s gives clear "application methods" ie "wet on wet".

All i am trying to do here is point out that over application is impossible and too much too soon lengthened the curing process.

To recap you cannot apply too much if applied correctly. You cannot speed up the drying time by applying less ...otherwise you have not applied enough .

Do you agree?.

[chris scott]

 

[chris scott]

Do you agree ?

[Kev Martin]

Chris

I'll tell you what book a course and we will teach you the correct way and you will learn lots more.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[chris scott]

Just run it by me briefly on here...a couple of paragraphs will do. I am not entirely confident that you know what you are talking about sometimes..saying that i know very little about tiling etc so i stand to be corrected.

The Correspondence I have had with you i have had so far regarding your "christmas prize question" , gutter vacuums , the best way to clean block paving etc  I feel there has a been a certain amount of bovine excrement mixed with possibly a little fact.

[Kev Martin]

Just run it by me briefly on here...a couple of paragraphs will do. I am not entirely confident that you know what you are talking about sometimes..saying that i know very little about tiling etc so i stand to be corrected.

The Correspondence I have had with you i have had so far regarding your "christmas prize question" , gutter vacuums , the best way to clean block paving etc  I feel there has a been a certain amount of bovine excrement mixed with possibly a little fact.

You clearly don't have anything better to occupy your little mind and quite frankly your last comment was uncalled for and borderline rude son!  I will have sport all day long with you in fun but don't question something you know very little about!

 

[chris scott]

It is far from "sport " for me!
I am questioning something i know "a little about" from somebody who supposedly knows a lot more...I am trying to learn.
You set a question and invited anybody to answer ,you gave an answer I disagree with...I am asking you to quantify your answer so I might understand it  better.
I do feel you are Bulls**ting me for some reason ...this is the impression I get.

[Kev Martin]

It is far from "sport " for me!
I am questioning something i know "a little about" from somebody who supposedly knows a lot more...I am trying to learn.
You set a question and invited anybody to answer ,you gave an answer I disagree with...I am asking you to quantify your answer so I might understand it more better.
I do feel you are Bulls**ting me for some reason ...this is the impression I get.

No Chris you are trying to push it.  The original post had nothing to do with Aqua Mix Products but you keep asking about Enrich N Seal which is the most unique sealer in the world.  So if you want to know specific things about that product I am happy to answer you.  Lay each question out in an E Mail and send it to me personally and I will answer you!  In the meantime whatever you think there are a lot of things held back on public forums.  After all if we told you every trick in the trade it would affect us wouldn't it.

This is my final word on this!  The rest is up to you!  Note:!!! I am going away for the New Year and will not be back until Friday so if you want a reply to your e mail be patient!

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[chris scott]

I realise that the original post had nothing to do with Aqua mix products....it was you that bought it into the conversation!
I was merely asking about the best way to apply it incase I ever need to ...I thought i would get it from the horses mouth so to speak.
 As you have pointed out previously, any instructions found on these products are mostly marketing bull....Your theory on this is further endorsed by Aqua mix on there application video for "sealers choice" were it clearly demonstrates my method of "wet on wet"
To the uninitiated like myself it's  a minefield for using these products hence me questioning professionals like your self.
Going back to the original post I still feel that your answer to the question you set is flawed .
Happy new year

[Kev Martin]

Interesting thread!  I hope all those that mailed me personally are happy with their replies. and don't forget I will try and send samples where possible provided you just pay the postage or just ask me to add them free of charge to your trade orders!

The Staff and I would like to take this opportunity to wish each and everyone of you on the CIU

A Happy & Prosperous New Year

Kevin, Kath, Tony, David, Abi, Wayne and Dan

Tiling Logistics ltd
Marblelife Ltd

[chris scott]

Kevin do i get a commision on all these sales i'm creating for you?
It is very interesting although we still seem to be going round in circles though. We are still no nearer figuring out what really went wrong with "our" contractors job in the original post.
Anybody else have an opinion on how to apply impregnating sealers...how do you/been instructed to apply?

Ps I think i am "banned" from posting on the "Hello christopher" thread.
 Kevin hi-jacked it and i get banned from it...how rude it's addressed to me.   It's got my name on it

[BDCS]

What is an impregnating sealer - is it an Australian man who dresses up like an Australian lady ?  

Soryy if I've offended those who happen to read this post or even their victimised offspring 

[Rob Hall]

Kevin do i get a commision on all these sales i'm creating for you?
It is very interesting although we still seem to be going round in circles though. We are still no nearer figuring out what really went wrong with "our" contractors job in the original post.
Anybody else have an opinion on how to apply impregnating sealers...how do you/been instructed to apply?

Ps I think i am "banned" from posting on the "Hello christopher" thread.
 Kevin hi-jacked it and i get banned from it...how rude it's addressed to me.   It's got my name on it
[/quote
I was shown, on a course in London, to "Flood" the stone with impregnating sealers, then 'squeegee' it off. I am not saying this is right or wrong but that is what was being shown back then, about 6 years ago. Personally, I think any sealer should have some time to penitrate and act before being wiped off. On the brand of sealer I prefer, one of the sealers recommend that "a second coat to be applied before the first coat dries" ie wet on wet. Hope this helps a bit??

[Rob Hall]

I have followed this thread with interest and it has prompted the question..."Has anyone ever been on the Dry Treat Course?" Apparently, applied 'correctly', Dry Treat lasts 15 years!! There is also another one being banded around, I think it is called Bullet Proof, which also offers a 15 year guarantee.
What I am getting around to saying is, how different can two sealers be applied that gives one a 15 year guarantee and another method of application which opens up a debate such as this with no real solution to how it is supposed to be applied?

Kevin, for the interest of this thread, what was the sealer that the tiler used in the first place? I am sure if we knew, others that use the same sealer may have the correct method of application.

I have been looking at my sealers of choice (Lantania from Italy) there are varying methods from the same company in their instructions. I tend to follow the recommended way of sealing as it is a damn sight easier than taking it all off at doing it right the second time.

One school of thought is, at least the tiler 'sealed' it in the first place, most would either give it a quick wipe over and bugger off or, not bother at all.

[chris scott]

So i am not so much of a muppet...I know it's debateable !

Rob has been taught this method, I myself use this method. Aqua mix recommend this method in there sealers choice video (although as Kevin rightly points out could be marketing bull****)
DuPont's Bullet proof is applied this way. (DuPont should know a thing or two)
Our "skilled tile fixer " must have been thinking this way. As he applied the sealer "wet on wet".
Quote"put coat 2 on 24 hours after grouting starting at 9am and completed it by 10am and then he applied 3 more additional coats leaving 1-2 Hours between coats"
My mate in his shed uses this method.
So thats 6 of us  ...Anybody else?


Quote "The second factor was the grout had not cured so that was still wet which exacerbated the problem"
Qoute "The guy is a skilled tile fixer as am I. Who mentioned wet substrate?"

Kevin you say the substrate was dry but the grouting wet. Surely if the grout is wet whats directly underneath it will also be wet/damp/contain high levels of moisture (bit like a wet dish cloth on a draining board ) ?
How long had the floor been laid before sealing commenced ?
How long do you generally leave tiled floors to dry before sealing (in cold weather with no heating?)

[Jamie Pearson]

I am a Dry Treat distributor and approved applicator of their sealers.