[chris scott]

The make of the sealer has no relevance on the reply I am looking for.  Neither does the fact of whether it is a water based or solvent based impregnating sealer. I am also not questioning performance of different makes of sealers so performance and individuals preferences are also irrelevant. In fact I havebeen careful not to mention the sealer he used.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

Water is a solvent...and i give in ,i don't want to play anymore. Whats the answer? I can't sleep at night with the excitment

[chris scott]

Is the sealer dry yet?...can we have the answer?

[BDCS]

I bet you can't hear the bell and get three visits on Christmas eve

[Kev Martin]

Is the sealer dry yet?...can we have the answer?

Chris

I know the answer and if you read the post again and engage the Brain Cells I am sure you do as well. Then who knows you might win!!!


Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[chris scott]

 5 coats of impregnating sealer on  new conservatory
 porous Limestone    
 Paint Pad to apply
 coat 2 on 24 hours after grouting 9am and completed it by 10am.
 applied 3 coats leaving 1-2 Hours between coats
 he did a final test at 4.30pm


Still don't get where he went wrong!
The paint pad ?

[Roger Oakley]

Right final shot at this,
Paving laid, (pre-sealed which should make no difference)  then grouted.
He didn't leave enough time for the medium used to lay the paving to dry, (Limestone wicking up moisture) then grouted so again not enough time for the grouting to cure before starting to seal the paving, plus with the over kill of applying coat upon coat of sealer the whole area is saturated and not drying. Also the temperatures to low to seal anyway, with it being a conservatory to cold maybe ?Also maybe not taking off any excess sealer (pooling) so all leading to a fail?

Even if this is not the right answer, tell us the bloody answer 

[BDCS]

Was he working in the lost city of Atlantis ?

[Kev Martin]

Right final shot at this,
Paving laid, (pre-sealed which should make no difference)  then grouted.
He didn't leave enough time for the medium used to lay the paving to dry, (Limestone wicking up moisture) then grouted so again not enough time for the grouting to cure before starting to seal the paving, plus with the over kill of applying coat upon coat of sealer the whole area is saturated and not drying. Also the temperatures to low to seal anyway, with it being a conservatory to cold maybe ?Also maybe not taking off any excess sealer (pooling) so all leading to a fail?

Even if this is not the right answer, tell us the bloody answer 


Roger
.why do you want me to tell you? You have just told me what  I was looking for. I knew someone would work it out

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Neil Jones]

What does Roger win? Exactly as I thought really I've just not had time to post

Well done Roger!

[chris scott]

I am using these type of sealers more and more (outside environment ) and I am all ways looking to learn about them ...rather than learning the hard way!

From what I can see from my experiance with them the contractor did nothing wrong (possibly the substrate was too damp to start with ...but this is basic stuff). I was under the impression impregnators were applied "wet on wet" until the substrate is saturated...then the excess removed. Then and only then were they allowed to cure...otherwise they repel themselves .

As I say I am new to this and willing to learn... so I would be interested in your indepth explanation as to why it went wrong.

What did Roger win ?

[Kev Martin]

So Kevin in your own words what was the answer you were looking for?

I was looking for the factors and the reasons that caused it not to bead properly.

The sealer coats were applied too quickly.  Each additional coat he applied after the second coat simply rewetted the previous coat and slowed down the curing process.
The second factor was the grout had not cured so that was still wet which exacerbated the problem
The third factor was a New conservatory floor loads of glass and with no heating didn't help
Finally the ambient temperature was not ideal to seal a floor

Roger covered all of those points.

Cleaning and ultimately sealing or resealing Hard Floors is essentially like a science.  Look at the problem in detail, take all the factors into account and you will invariably reach a conclusion on the best way to sort the problem.  It is pointless solving a problem unless you sort the cause first.  AQ bit like trying to wash your car in the rain.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Kev Martin]

What does Roger win? Exactly as I thought really I've just not had time to post

Well done Roger!

Roger

Give me a bell I will give you a choice of prize to suit you best up to the value of £100

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[chris scott]

 So really the answer to your question is
"The contractor is a muppet that does not know the first thing about resealing substrates."  ie It was too wet and too cold.

[chris scott]

Why did he phone you if it was not your product?

[Kev Martin]

So really the answer to your question is
"The contractor is a muppet that does not know the first thing about resealing substrates."  ie It was too wet and too cold.

The contractor is one of the best tile fixers in the UK in my opinion and far from being a muppet.  He normally only seals with Aqua Mix Products but the woman had bought the sealer with the tiles and insisted he used it.  Many contractors ring me with problems as do many grout and adhesive manufacturers as well.  I don't turn anyone away who seeks free help and advice as many CIU members will confirm.  My philosophy is "Education before any sale"

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Rob Hall]

So really the answer to your question is
"The contractor is a muppet that does not know the first thing about resealing substrates."  ie It was too wet and too cold.

The contractor is one of the best tile fixers in the UK in my opinion and far from being a muppet.  He normally only seals with Aqua Mix Products but the woman had bought the sealer with the tiles and insisted he used it.  Many contractors ring me with problems as do many grout and adhesive manufacturers as well.  I don't turn anyone away who seeks free help and advice as many CIU members will confirm.  My philosophy is "Education before any sale"

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

.....and for this very reason, is why I still say that your course is the best I have been on. Following the rant from Russ Taylor, I have (and always will) said that Kev's course is IN MY OPINION the best available.

Nobody goes on a restoration course to do anything other than learn, at least Kevin passes his knowledge around on this forum, like I have said before, we may not agree on everything, but I still have respect.

Russ.... learn from the man and reel your neck in.

Aren't we all supposed to learn from one another on forums like this???

Let me be the first to thank Kevin for passing the information on about the sealing problem.

[chris scott]

So really the answer to your question is
"The contractor is a muppet that does not know the first thing about resealing substrates."  ie It was too wet and too cold.

The contractor is one of the best tile fixers in the UK in my opinion and far from being a muppet.  He normally only seals with Aqua Mix Products but the woman had bought the sealer with the tiles and insisted he used it.  Many contractors ring me with problems as do many grout and adhesive manufacturers as well.  I don't turn anyone away who seeks free help and advice as many CIU members will confirm.  My philosophy is "Education before any sale"

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

So if he is one of the best contractors why did he undertake the job on wet substrate in  unsuitable conditions? The amount of sealer he applied had little or nothing to do with the drying times. Are you saying if he had not used the womans " product" it would be ok?

[Kev Martin]

Chris

! The guy is a skilled tile fixer as am I. Who mentioned wet substrate? The issue here was not of his making but that is irrelevant and has no bearing on the sealing problem I set.  We can take it more in depth if you want provided you understand tile fixing on ufh and decoupling membranes. If not it's pointless me explaining it to you.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Roger Oakley]

What does Roger win? Exactly as I thought really I've just not had time to post

Well done Roger!

Roger

Give me a bell I will give you a choice of prize to suit you best up to the value of £100

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

Kevin,

Thank you very much, I'll try to give you a call before Christmas, if I get a chance.

[Kev Martin]

Roger

Your welcome! You could also use the prize as a discount of your Rocky in the New Year if you want?



Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd